Splits

[FishCannon]

So I read Naked Warrior and Enter The Kettlebell and saw the DVD and also the Russian Kettlebell challenge DVD and have been messing around with kettlebells here and there for about a year, I am actually beginning the program recommended by Pavel in Enter the Kettlebell now. Its recommended that you do presses and then swings or snatches right? well I was wondering about splitting the days up and swinging or snatching in the morning to get me going and then doing my presses sometime later in the afternoon or evening. I guess that's the first question, what do you guys think? the second thing is, I happen to work with a certified RKC instructor and I ran it by him and he said absolutely not and then told me never to do swings and presses in the same day because something about how fast twitch muscles need to recover before doing slow twitch work outs and vice-versa. He seems to know what he is talking about but that also goes against everything I have learned from Pavel's material? Anyone have any light to shine on this?

[ZachariahSalazarRKC]

No he doesnt. You can do whatever you want depending on goal. I do them on the same day WHENEVER MY PROGRAM CALLS FOR IT. 2 days a week grinds and 2 days a week split up volume and load around basic lifts for example but you still put heavy low reps stuff on grind day. Its all about your short term plan as part of your long term plan. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[David Whitley, RKC]

Originally Posted by FishCannon

So I read Naked Warrior and Enter The Kettlebell and saw the DVD and also the Russian Kettlebell challenge DVD and have been messing around with kettlebells here and there for about a year, I am actually beginning the program recommended by Pavel in Enter the Kettlebell now. Its recommended that you do presses and then swings or snatches right? well I was wondering about splitting the days up and swinging or snatching in the morning to get me going and then doing my presses sometime later in the afternoon or evening. I guess that's the first question, what do you guys think?

I don't see a problem with it, especially if conditioning is your primary goal.

Originally Posted by FishCannon

I happen to work with a certified RKC instructor and I ran it by him and he said absolutely not and then told me never to do swings and presses in the same day because something about how fast twitch muscles need to recover before doing slow twitch work outs and vice-versa. He seems to know what he is talking about but that also goes against everything I have learned from Pavel's material? Anyone have any light to shine on this?

That's just silly. In ETK swings and presses are recommended in the same workout. Is this RKC listed on the instructor page?

Here is light to shine:
If you were a lumberjack back before there was modern equipment, would you chop wood (ballistic,fast-twitch) and load heavy logs on your wagon (slow twitch, grinding) in the same day or would you take a "day for recovery" between the two?

[SteveFreides]

Originally Posted by FishCannon

So I read Naked Warrior and Enter The Kettlebell and saw the DVD and also the Russian Kettlebell challenge DVD and have been messing around with kettlebells here and there for about a year, I am actually beginning the program recommended by Pavel in Enter the Kettlebell now. Its recommended that you do presses and then swings or snatches right? well I was wondering about splitting the days up and swinging or snatching in the morning to get me going and then doing my presses sometime later in the afternoon or evening. I guess that's the first question, what do you guys think? the second thing is, I happen to work with a certified RKC instructor and I ran it by him and he said absolutely not and then told me never to do swings and presses in the same day because something about how fast twitch muscles need to recover before doing slow twitch work outs and vice-versa. He seems to know what he is talking about but that also goes against everything I have learned from Pavel's material? Anyone have any light to shine on this?

As with most things, I think the right answer, as David and Zach have also said is, "It depends." It depends on your goals, it depends on what sort of swings and presses you have in mind, what the day looks like in the rest of your week, etc. I basically agree with your RKC's approach - I prefer to do my presses before my swings or snatches and not the other way around, but "never" is far too strong a term. There are many circumstances in which it could work out fine for you.

A good concept to keep in mind is to do what's most important to you or what's most difficult first, and that's just common sense.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

[Paul Ke]

Grinds are definitely fast twitch, but can you really classify ballistics like swings and snatches as only slow twitch? Seems like both would be used.

[mrwhy]

I do not think that the grinds are "fast twitch" and the ballistics are "slow" twitch.

It sounds like the person saying not to work slow twitch and fast twitch on the same day may be somehow trying to apply some of the westside barbell theory to KB work.

Perhaps confusing ME for "slow twitch" work and DE for fast twitch?

Regardless, I have never heard of any RKC who would say that you cannot do swings and presses on the same day. It is quite bizarre actually.

[David Whitley, RKC]

Originally Posted by mrwhy

I do not think that the grinds are "fast twitch" and the ballistics are "slow" twitch.

It sounds like the person saying not to work slow twitch and fast twitch on the same day may be somehow trying to apply some of the westside barbell theory to KB work.

Perhaps confusing ME for "slow twitch" work and DE for fast twitch?

Regardless, I have never heard of any RKC who would say that you cannot do swings and presses on the same day. It is quite bizarre actually.

You are probably right, I know liitle of what kind of twitching the fibers do. I think that often people spend more time looking at science and forming opinions rather than training. fast twitch, slow twitch.....does it really matter for the average trainee?

[FishCannon]

Originally Posted by David Whitley, RKC

I don't see a problem with it, especially if conditioning is your primary goal.


That's just silly. In ETK swings and presses are recommended in the same workout. Is this RKC listed on the instructor page?

Here is light to shine:
If you were a lumberjack back before there was modern equipment, would you chop wood (ballistic,fast-twitch) and load heavy logs on your wagon (slow twitch, grinding) in the same day or would you take a "day for recovery" between the two?

Your metaphor is wise beyond measure, I thank for you that, and yes he is listed on the instructor page, he is my friend and I'm not comfortable releasing his name, I will continue following Enter the Kettlebell and your advice, but this guy is big and strong and he tamed the beast, He is also a certified dietician and he has a degree in bio-mechanics, he is also a personal trainer so I feel like he also knows what he is talking about. When I tried to get a further explanation he just kept shaking his head, I think he was in a bad mood. He did also say that kettlebells are supplementary and are not sufficient alone for a workout regiment. My goals are not body building, they are conditioning, I am a cyclist, so perhaps he neglected to take that into consideration.