PTTP and GTG..

[the UnsTopabLe M]

I have a question. Are all the programs and strength guidelins mentioned in PTTP basically the same guidelines as GTG?

the high tension tips mentioned in PTTP: tense your muscles as hard as possible regardless of the weight being used... train no more than 5 times a week..

It is basically GTG right? How come the letters GTG are not mentioned in PTTP at all?

instead I see 2x5, etc. If frequent training is needed for strength, why only do 2 sets a day?

Just Wondering. Thanks

[MI_KB'r]

In PTTP, it is recommended that you pick 2 exercises(i.e. Press, DL, Bench...) and perform 2 work sets 5 days a week. GTG is working on (i.e. pull-ups, pistols...), frequently throughout the day.
Frequent training is not necesary for strength. It is just 1 method. There are many ways to gain strength, but they all need to be consistant and progressive.

[the UnsTopabLe M]

Originally Posted by MI_KB'r

In PTTP, it is recommended that you pick 2 exercises(i.e. Press, DL, Bench...) and perform 2 work sets 5 days a week. GTG is working on (i.e. pull-ups, pistols...), frequently throughout the day.
Frequent training is not necesary for strength. It is just 1 method. There are many ways to gain strength, but they all need to be consistant and progressive.

frequent training is not for strength?... then what is frequent training for? to have more fun?

I thought strength is a skill...is strength not a skill?? and the more often you practice the better you get? that means frequent practice will provide more strength than training that is not as frequent..no?

[GrgMoto]

-No frequent training is not "just for fun". I think what MI_KB'er was trying to say is there is more than one path to strength. You can train the CNS for strength (frequent, low rep-high tension "practice"), hypertrophy (muscle size, using something akin to the Bear routine), or a mix of the two.

-The reason GTG is not mentioned in PttP is because PttP was written before the Naked Warrior.....nuff said. Plus, how would Pavel or the Party make money if one book had it all?

-I think the basic reason there are only 2 sets a day (and mentioned in the book), is that unless you live/work in a gym it's pretty hard to deadlift and sidepress throughout the day. Whereas with bodyweight exercises, you can whip those out anytime since you always have your bodyweight to work with. Yes you could technically GtG the DL/SP, but most people wouldn't last longterm on a routine like this unless they are pro lifters.

[greg57]

I think few people have access to an Olympic barbell set throughout the day. GTG is for body weight drills out of practicality. 2adays is not GTG.

Maybe you could combine VWC and GTG, all you would have to do is keep a kettlebell with you and excuse yourself from your present company to do 36 seconds of work every hour or 2. You could just say, excuse me,but it's the top of the hour and I need to grease the viking .

[GrgMoto]

" Excuse me, but it's the top of the hour and I need to grease the viking. Don't worry, this'll only take 36 seconds."

-Wow. That is a classic quote if I've ever heard one! You should make that your little quote thingie at the end of each post (dammitall, can't remember what it's called....). If you don't take it I sure as heck am!

[greg57]

There it is

[the UnsTopabLe M]

Originally Posted by GrgMoto

-No frequent training is not "just for fun". I think what MI_KB'er was trying to say is there is more than one path to strength. You can train the CNS for strength (frequent, low rep-high tension "practice"), hypertrophy (muscle size, using something akin to the Bear routine), or a mix of the two.

-The reason GTG is not mentioned in PttP is because PttP was written before the Naked Warrior.....nuff said. Plus, how would Pavel or the Party make money if one book had it all?

-I think the basic reason there are only 2 sets a day (and mentioned in the book), is that unless you live/work in a gym it's pretty hard to deadlift and sidepress throughout the day. Whereas with bodyweight exercises, you can whip those out anytime since you always have your bodyweight to work with. Yes you could technically GtG the DL/SP, but most people wouldn't last longterm on a routine like this unless they are pro lifters.

Good points. Thanks

But is the PTP style of training as effective as GTG, though? Just doing 2 sets every day?

Also in PTP, are you supposed to fluctuate with the volume, intesnity, and/or exercises variation? Just like with GTG.

[eltriplesix]

Power to the people is a very great program for strength training. It is very effective and is an amazing way to either become a strong muscle bound man or a strong wiry man.

Tension ( squeezing your muscles all over your body) is strength. It is every protocol that Pavel has made and it is strength in general. When someone is trying to rip your arm away from your body to put it in an arm bar like in mma tension can save you when technique is something you have not mastered yet. My friend Tension is both how you display and how you build strength. At least that is what I have learned so far.

Now pttp is a lot like gtg because you do 10 dead lifts 5 days a week and that is 50 dead lifts a week. You do that everyday for a year and I'm not in the mood to do the math of how many dead lifts you did. But here is the main difference I can think of. Pttp straight out of the book is done with 3 to 5 min breaks. when you take breaks that are that short as compared to gtg you don't just get smart muscles as in gtg. You get a mix of both nueral adaptions and muscle adaptions. By the book this is one of the big differences

Other differences would be off coarse obvious ones like that after a 175 pound man dead lifts 375 pounds 5 times for the 2nd 3rd time hes ever been able to he will not be fresh for his second set. Also i'm not sure about this but i thought you never really do 5 rep maxes or right in a 5 ,10% range of them in gtg but in pttp with a 2 week cylce this can be a regular thing coming up every 2 weeks

They are similar programs but different programs. Both very interesting. I'm basing this answer on reading Enter the Kettlebell

[GrgMoto]

With PttP you fluctuate the volume by taking days off between the 5-workout-blocks and resting between cycles. You fluctuate intensity by adding weight with his cycle routines (linear, step, wave, etc). The exercise variation can be changed at the start of a new cycle, but they are only variations of the deadlift (which is 80% of PttP anyway).

Yes, "technically" GTG would be superior if you're using the same exercises (assuming deadlifts, since the Party is all about pulls). However, as I said before it is impractical with weights unless you have A LOT of time on your hands. Also, just by the structure of GTG it would place a lot more responsibility on you to pay attention and ride the line between not doing enough and overtraining. With PttP it is very clear and straight-cut, where if you follow it's instructions you will see results and have little chance of overtraining.

Your questions make me ask, have you read PttP? I assumed you had from your first post, but these last few questions made me wonder. If you have read it, then you need to refresh and reread it (assuming you're on or starting PttP.....if this is just an intellectual question then I guess you're fine).