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    jetronin is offline Senior Member
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    Default p.m. with pttp deads

    I've been working on pttp for a little over 6 months now and feel i need to ease off deadlifting a little and get a little more conditioning work(plus i have a really nice bell that i've waited about 3 months to put some serious work in with:-) so i plan on running the ETK PM,swings mon and thurs/getups tues and fri,and deadlifting as per pttp cycling on weds and sat.

    when running just pttp i dead 4 times a week(that's about right for me,5 times is a little too much and 3 times not enough) and as i'll only be deadlifting 2 times a week i intend on doubling the weight i go up each session so that my deadlifting will still be peaking every 4th week.

    As extra work i do a couple of sets of weighted leg raises and a couple of sets with a gripper after pttp(mon,tues/thurs,fri)and plan on continuing this while on the PM/PTTP mix.

    I just want to check in with those experienced mixing pttp and pm to make sure i won't be overdoing it.Will the jumps in weight be too much?Should i drop the leg raises?I normally do barbell overhead presses when running PTTP,will my pressing take a nose-dive just doing getups for 6 months or so?
    Anything else i might be missing?

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    You got to do what feels right to you; sounds lame, but its the truth.

    I can't do PTTP using DL/BP for 5 days a week, not even 4 days a week. I DL 2x, sometimes 3, and press 3x.

    I now do:
    DL-355 Lb 5RM
    BP-225 Lb 5RM
    4 sets x 5 reps
    Heavy Day 85%-105% of my 5 RM
    Medium Day 65%-85% of my 5RM
    Light Day Usually only pressing (Palms-Up Grip BP or SP) and pullups, sometimes 2" block DL

    I still cycle my weight; I also find that the Heavy-Medium-Light schedule allows me to do my landscaping job and/or go mountain bike on Saturdays, while still making gains in the gym.

    I believe the point of PTTP is to keep it simple and focus on 2 goals; not 15 goals.

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    I never mixed the PM with PttP, but I did mix PttP with the RoP. Personally, I could only DL twice a week on my variety days or I got very run down very fast.

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    Default If it helps

    Dead Lifting on the program min.
    I persnally think that the advice SteveFreidesgives in that thread was spot on but that's just me...

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    Are you doing the hanging leg raises for abdominal and core strength?? If you do heavy deadlifts the PTTP way then you are already strengthening your core. As comrade 11cactus11 said, do what feels right for you.
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    I've been doing PM+DL for some time now, 8 weeks, one off, and now I'm on my 5th week. Pullups, twice a week ladders with presses, grip work and a little pistol work also included. Feeling good so far.

    First 8 weeks my DL didn't have much programming, just went by feel twice a week. Did volume here, heavy triples there. Now, for the last five weeks I've been doing 5x5 twice a week off a 5" block to correct some issues with form, increasing weight by 5 kg every workout and backing off when needed. The weight is only 65% of floor 1RM at max, so it's light by those standards and doesn't seem to burn me out.

    That last bit is important. Even if you do scheduled DL while on PM, back off of it if you feel you need a break. I've been cruising with both, enjoying a good groove with swings, getups, DL, pullups and presses, and also getting a taste of progress on all those fields. All that means that one must be ready to deload.

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    So the message seems to be,in general,deadlifting pttp style 2 times a week on the P.M. is fine,just be prepared to deload if it gets a bit too much,or treat deadlifts as a variety exercise and go by feel.

    Thanks,for the info.I appreciate it.:-)

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    Are you able to make gains deadlifting only twice a week, or would it be worth while to wait until you can concentrate more time to the deads? Right now I just deadlift for the hell of it (I love the feel of the deadlift), am I making gains, well the weight is going up slowly, but if it would be more advantagious to wait till later to go full bore with the dead then I will wait.

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    Most definitely. You can make gains twice a week. It is slower than doing them 3-4 time a week, but you still make gains. I've been doing them for a year and a half, minus a month or two when recovering from a minor tweak here and there. Other than a 2 month bear cycle, I did them only twice a week, mixed in with RoP or whatever program I was on. I'm skinny at 5' 11" and 165 and my DL has gone from BW (I started low as I'd never done them up to that point) to 340 LBS, which is more than 2X BW. Try it.

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