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    Boris Bachmann is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by mc View Post
    The link on your site to the about.com is a cool starting place; the articles however informing that overview are 12-20 years old, and there's some really cool newer work in this space.
    I realize that about.com is not cutting edge, but for a list of symptoms it is sufficient and the basic known symptoms, as far as I know, have not changed in the past 25 years.
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    Maybe your not getting enough nutrients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris Bachmann View Post
    I realize that about.com is not cutting edge, but for a list of symptoms it is sufficient and the basic known symptoms, as far as I know, have not changed in the past 25 years.

    Likely true about symptoms post the fact. Here's the thing, though: symptoms aren't a diagnosis, eh? there's quite a bit of stuff that has a lot of these symptoms.

    and likewise, dealing with researchers in this space who work with elite athletes - there's still no sure fire way to tell *in time* if a person has overtrained, before they've overtrained. In other words - how can we tell if/when overtraining is coming on?

    It's because of this inability to have good predictive markers that all we can do is slot in back off weeks. Even that may not be sufficient if we just get religious about "every X weeks, back off" if overtraining is about cumulative stress.

    It's a really serious issue. It's sorta like dehydration amped up: once you've started to get the signs of it, it's too late to fix it. just chugging water doesn't rectify it.

    This is where cns fatigue (another over used term) can come in: a way different beast than muscle fatigue, and way harder for recovery.

    based on what's been said, i'd agree with the poster's diagnosis of himself: based on his discussion of stress or the lack of it in his workouts, and the lack of it in his life (if that's the case), it's hard to see what he's talking about being overtraining rather than Something Else.

    The thing is, overtraining symptoms also sound alot like the effects of a virus (another neural disorder). I think we have a tendency sometimes in fitness to say: person training; says wiped out a bit = overtraining"

    But overtraining is the results of cumulative stress.

    IF that kind of stress isn't present, either from the workouts or the rest of one's life, then those symptoms may result from something else.

    THat's sorta the main point i wanted to make in terms of what we seem to know now beyond symptoms.

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    I'm quite aware that a given symptom could suggest a whole host of causes mc - that wasn't the point of my posts at all mc. The title of the post is "Overtraining symptoms?" and I was giving a short reply to that. The onus is on the OP to figure out if it is truly overtraining or not. If I knew more about him/her, I might venture a diagnosis, but I don't.
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