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    DrJAG2 is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by mc View Post
    if you'd like to get an assessment and some rehab/corrective strategies, PM me
    anything else we're offering is pretty much best guess hacking.
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    I'd take this advice!

    Sounds somewhat similar to some injuries I've had. I've found ART to be great at getting through crisis issues, but then you need to fix the way you move because it will impact (good or bad) your recovery. At mc's suggestion, I did some of the z drills during and right after ART sessions, and it accelerated my recovery, much to be my chiropractor's surprise and delight.

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    I will merely add to what others have already stated-- if your pain is getting chronic, two things can make a BIG difference to you: a drug called Gabapentin and an antidepressant.
    No, I am not saying you ARE suffering from depression, but antidepressants are known scientifically to make a big difference in the management of chronic pain, even if organic. See if you can get a prescription out of someone for both!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambodoc View Post
    I will merely add to what others have already stated-- if your pain is getting chronic, two things can make a BIG difference to you: a drug called Gabapentin and an antidepressant.
    No, I am not saying you ARE suffering from depression, but antidepressants are known scientifically to make a big difference in the management of chronic pain, even if organic. See if you can get a prescription out of someone for both!

    Funny you should suggest anti-depressants..........back in my late 20s, my PCP gave me amitryptaline (spelling is probably waaaay off on that one) because I complained of chronic upper back pain and had terrible trigger points. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Stupidly, I took it for about 2 months. It helped a bit but made me into a zombie. When the vet prescribed the same thing for my dog when she was having terrible bouts of noise-induced anxiety, I threw the pills away. A few years later, I discovered the joys of heavy rows and the upper back pain went away! Injected drugs have already failed in this case. I had supposedly one of the best hip MDs in the DC metro area, a guy who treats pro figure skaters, inject my piriformis and gluteus medius with cortisone to relieve the pain! It did for a couple weeks, then it came back. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I stick by my suggestion: get the chronic issue relieved by a soft tissue practitioner (my experience with ART has been good), then get to moving right again. Don't be a dummy like me and push it and ignore it for 15 wasted years.

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    You could also try to find a physical therapist that does Pain Reflex Release Therapy. I have taken the introductory course for this type of therapy and have had some great results using it. It works on down-regulating overactive pain reflexes. It is similar to Strain-Counterstrain therapy in some ways. It is very quick and you know right away if it is helping. I have had pts come in with pain at an 8 or 9/10 and leave with a 1 or 2 after just 20 minutes of treatment. You can google search it to find the website.

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    I've had trouble in this area too. My chiro diagnosed me with a strained serratus anterior although I believe there were other muscles (rhomboids & teres) involved. It really weakened my shoulder and caused it to droop. TGUs helped me the most. Also overhead shrugs plus pullovers, front db raises, sides db raises and upright rows. Its been 11 mos and I'm still only about 85%.

    P.S. Does your shoulder blade stick out in back? This is a classic sign of serratus anterior injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambodoc View Post
    I will merely add to what others have already stated-- if your pain is getting chronic, two things can make a BIG difference to you: a drug called Gabapentin and an antidepressant.
    No, I am not saying you ARE suffering from depression, but antidepressants are known scientifically to make a big difference in the management of chronic pain, even if organic. See if you can get a prescription out of someone for both!
    I'm already on Zoloft for depression and anger management. It's definately helped me quite a bit. My fuse has gotten quite a bit longer when it comes to getting angry. I'm also on Xanax for anxiety problems that I have. I had anxiety so bad a little over a year ago, that I was dizzy all the time, had constant headaches, was always nauseous, had bad insomnia, and a whole list of other physical symptoms. The Xanax has completely taken care of all of these issues. I also have TMJ (jaw) problems, which I wear a mouthpiece for. I initially had to wear it all of the time, now I just wear it when I exercise (any kind of physical exertion) and while I sleep. That's helped me a lot with my jaw pain, ear pain, tinnitus and headaches. I also used to have really bad elbow pain. After getting into grip training and buying the Ironmind extensor bands, my elbow pain has completely gone away.

    Now after dealing with all of these other issues, I'm still stuck with these 3 nagging injuries that won't go away. Joint mobility and physical exercise definately helps with the pain quite a bit, but I haven't been able to figure out a way to completely get rid it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltG View Post
    I've had trouble in this area too. My chiro diagnosed me with a strained serratus anterior although I believe there were other muscles (rhomboids & teres) involved. It really weakened my shoulder and caused it to droop. TGUs helped me the most. Also overhead shrugs plus pullovers, front db raises, sides db raises and upright rows. Its been 11 mos and I'm still only about 85%.

    P.S. Does your shoulder blade stick out in back? This is a classic sign of serratus anterior injury.

    - WaltG
    My shoulder doesn't droop and my shoulder blade doesn't stick out in back. I can't quite put either arm above my head behind my ears, in what would be considered a proper hardstyle lockout due to flexibility issues from the injuries. It really sucked when I did my IKFF cert. I couldn't really ever fully rest in the overhead lockout position while doing any of the exercises, so my delts took a beating that weekend to compensate for not being able to rest during the timed sets.
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    Skip the old school methods. Dont do the stretch this strengthen that. Numerous reasons why. Where are you in the country? Find a good level 4 Z Health practitioner. Dont look at as a local injury. Look at it as a global movement problem. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    contact at ZachariahSalazar@Gmail.com if you need more details!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrJAG2 View Post
    I'd take this advice!
    I'd be a complete idiot to ignore taking advice from MC.
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    Notes in capitals; not yelling zzzzzzzzzzzzzz


    Quote Originally Posted by darryllardizabal View Post
    Saw the pictures, could be a number of different muscles depending on location.

    Biomechanically, roll the hell out of it with a tennis ball, but first focusing on the area contra-lateral or opposite of it, not only the opposite muscle group (right chest, roll left chest first), but also opposite muscle group (right chest, left pelvis/hip area), etc.


    DONT ROLL THE HELL OUT OF IT. GENTLE NON PAINFUL PRESSURE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS UNTIL YOU GET IT FIXED FIND THE MOST SENSITIVE SPOT AND HOLD FOR 90 SECONDS. THEN STOP. IF YOU KEEP ROLLING AFTER THAT YOU WILL ERASE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.

    You can also work it indirectly by moving in the opposite direction of where there is pain in different angles to help that spot, especially with bands and at different angles. Make sure there's no pain, blah blah blah. Stretch it out, than strengthen stretched position, enjoy.

    NONSPECIFIC STRETCHING WILL IRRITATE THE AREA. I CAN GO INTO WHAT BUT ITS AN ANATOMY LESSON. STRETCHING FEELS GOOD CUZ IT FIRES MECHANORECEPTORS BUT IT IRRITATES LOCAL RETICULUM. CALCIUM CONTINUES TO BE RELEASED CONTINUING IRRITATION. TEACHING THE MUSCULATURE TO CONTRACT BETTER WILL INCREASE OXYGEN AND LOCAL ENERGY (MORE ATP) WHICH WILL ALLOW RELAXATION WITHOUT IRRITATION.

    Neurally, move any areas that aren't in pain. Find any position that doesn't make those spots hurt on movement and do them. Meaning if that spot hurts when standing, lie down and see if it hurts. If it doesn't continue movement in that position. To be more specific again use opposing joints. Wrist/Ankle, Elbows/Knees, Shoulder/Hip, Upper back/low back, Pelvis/Neck.
    GOOD ADVICE. FOLLOW Z HEALTH FOR A FULL BODY MAP OF THESE TEHNIQUES. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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