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    kimjansson is offline Senior Member
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    Default kb squat versus barbell squat

    if you look at the kb squat and the barbell squat, is there any difference in the strenght and the size you get from working with the same weight,say:
    barbell squat 80 kilo
    kb squat 2 # 40 kilo
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    Kim,
    there will probably be not much difference, if you are using the same 80kg total weight, assuming you are talking about barbell front squat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimjansson View Post
    if you look at the kb squat and the barbell squat, is there any difference in the strenght and the size you get from working with the same weight,say:
    barbell squat 80 kilo
    kb squat 2 # 40 kilo
    ?
    kim
    1) For those who haven't done both of these exercises, don't answer this question....

    2) At the same weight, the KB front squat will be a little harder, because you can't get the bells asclose to your center of gravity as you can a barbell.

    3) The back barbell squat and the KB front squat cannot even be considered the same exercise.

    For me, I would say 2 32kg bells (140lb) is about equal to 205-215 on a bar. Your mileage may vary

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    Your body will adapt to what you are doing.

    If you can barbell squat 315 x 1, and have never done KB front squats, even a light weight to start may be hard.

    If you are looking mainly for hypertrophy, doing a new exercise may be worth a shot since doing new/novel things can be helpful at times.

    Keep track of how your body responds to each one. Some days I can do barbell squats and other days KB front squats depending on how I feel and how they test.

    Hopefully that helps a bit
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    The barbell front squat and KB front squat are two very different exercises. The KB Front Squat is actually closer to performing a barbell Zercher squat. Both serve their purposes but, with a lighter load the KB Front Squat can be farr more difficult to perform then barbell variations. The freedom of the weights and the tension that must be maintained by the pillar muscles (core + lats, I hate the word core and want a new term. This one seems good so I am hoping it will catch on.) makes the KB Front Squat very taxing on the body. As far as hypertrophy is concerned I have personally still had great results with a barbell back squat program but, I have not used KB Front Squats to induce hypertrophy by themselves. I do include them as supplemental training with a barbell back squat as I find it reinforces good back squat form by maintaining tight pillar muscles.

    Dan John has said a great interview that the Dbl KB Clean and Front Squat is "one of the best and most underrated exercises for hypertrophy". I think experimentation time is in order!

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    Default Totally different

    Exactly what Faizelenu said. Much more stabilization on the KB (and Barbell) front squats. Switching from back to front always leaves me sore in the middle for a few days.

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    Kim,

    I forgot to add, kettlebell front squat may be nicer for your wrists, front of the neck, collar bones, and breathing. The technique is easier than barbell front squat, and you can do more reps without any risk to your wind pipe. The problem is that once you master the kettlebell front squat with a given weight- you can go no further - you need to buy a new pair of kettlebells.

    I wouldn't go into center of gravity issues with 80kg, unless you weigh 40kg yourself. As far as strength and size - 80kg is 80kg in a very similar exercise, you won't see any dramatic differences.

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