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    Lightbulb a wee start at research on kb's: better than circuits; not treadmills

    One kb protocol - a perhaps odd one for those of us who use them - has been studied - minimally - and the results published. ya hoo.

    The interesting thing about the article is that it tries to situate kb's relative to other kinds of endurance work.

    that's the general pitch.

    The actual pitch is that authors looked at one kb protocol relative to two others. What's interesting is that KB's turned out to be a middle of the road HARD but not hardest hr/vo2max protocol.

    i think that's ok: here's the discussion about why. Nice to have a start at formal evaluations. will be even better when normal protocols are peer reviewed in english. But nice start.

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    Very interesting.

    On the Manmaker front here is the first ever article i read that referenced that. One from the old days: The US Department of Energy Kettlebell Man Maker: A Kettlebell Training article from Dragon Door Publications

    It also ends with a great Pavel line:

    This is a fat buster and a cardio gut check but the great thing is you can always make it harder or easier by tweaking the number of repetitions. Comrades, as the Evil One says, you’ll be dead meat – but much leaner dead meat. De Oppresso Liber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiggers View Post
    Very interesting.

    On the Manmaker front here is the first ever article i read that referenced that. One from the old days: The US Department of Energy Kettlebell Man Maker: A Kettlebell Training article from Dragon Door Publications
    indeed - this article is directly linked in the post, actually, along with pavel's etk description of same, to show how different what the authors call a manmaker is from what's in the study.

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    This study really highlights the weaknesses of exercise studies as you noted in your commentary. I understand why they what what they did - studies need to be relatively simple and can only test a few variables. Still, it's a start, the results are nevertheless valuable and definitely interesting. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

    Here's my study. It's not really a study; it's just a logic problem.

    Treadmill running by itself is boring.
    The Manmaker workout (KB swings done every 0.25 miles (or less)) dramatically decreases this boredom.
    Most people are more likely to consistently do an exercise that is less boring.
    It follows that the Manmaker would be done more consistently than treadmill running alone.
    An exercise program done consistently is more effective than one that is not done consistently.
    Therefore, the Manmaker is more effective than treadmill running alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheBear View Post
    Here's my study. It's not really a study; it's just a logic problem.

    Treadmill running by itself is boring.
    The Manmaker workout (KB swings done every 0.25 miles (or less)) dramatically decreases this boredom.
    Most people are more likely to consistently do an exercise that is less boring.
    It follows that the Manmaker would be done more consistently than treadmill running alone.
    An exercise program done consistently is more effective than one that is not done consistently.
    Therefore, the Manmaker is more effective than treadmill running alone.
    Mike, this isn't a logic problem. It's simply logical. I am considering when my hip is solved doing exactly this. Given how flat it is here i will only use the treadmill for some hill work (we can't all live in Colorado - Munich is as flat as one of my old girlfriends!) Chiggers

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    thanks to a poke from mike reid, rkc, i've gone back to look at the data

    while the athletes may not have swung continuously, they sure weren't doing man makers.

    revised data discussion here.

    all makes sense how this turned out below treadmills. these 10 active male participants musta been taking the kb's for a walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiggers View Post
    Mike, this isn't a logic problem. It's simply logical. I am considering when my hip is solved doing exactly this. Given how flat it is here i will only use the treadmill for some hill work (we can't all live in Colorado - Munich is as flat as one of my old girlfriends!) Chiggers
    I feel for you. Where I live, you can have your pick of hills. If you want to run for 2 miles continuously uphill, I have one of those for you.

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