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    Default SAID Principle & Snatches

    Hello,

    I'm not sure if this has been asked before. Searching for SAID Principle brings up a million posts that include the word "said." If so, my apologies.

    My question is how specific is the "specific" part in regards to snatching different sized KBs?

    Case in point: On my second variety days, I've been doing a few snatches with the 28 and 32 per ROP suggestions.

    I know I shouldn’t question ETK, but I was just curious if the differing weights and handle circumferences will violate the SAID principle if I'm working on getting 200 reps with the 24kg bell?

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    probably it will matter a little bit, but it will be offset by the advantages of working with heavier weights in terms of strength and badassery.

    And the SAID/snatch connection is not even something that is universally acknowledged. I am of the opinion that if you want to snatch a lot, you should snatch a lot. Other people, like Faizalenu, disagree.

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    I've done a bit of research lately on GS training protocols and workouts. On average, most of the blogs and workouts I've found begin the workout by focusing on the lifts done during competition. This is then followed up by any assistance lifts, such as swings, presses, or deadlifts.

    So, considering that these are guys who strive for maximum reps over a finite period of time, it would make sense that they know what they're doing. I would agree with Semonides that to snatch a lot, you must snatch a lot. Doing snatches with heavier weights will increase strength, thereby improving your snatch performance with the 24kg. Similar to how long-distance runners do hill runs and sprints to improve leg strength.

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    There is the problem of over-specificity.

    I've been doing lots of snatches lately and hitting good numbers (almost at my goals now). In doing this I snatch heavier and lighter than my goal weight. I highly recommend doing the same and not just sticking to one bell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danfaz View Post

    I know I shouldn’t question ETK, but I was just curious if the differing weights and handle circumferences will violate the SAID principle if I'm working on getting 200 reps with the 24kg bell?
    SAID principle is probably one of the LEAST understood principles. This will not violate the SAID principle in the least.

    For some of you: The SAID principle IS NOT practicing 10 minutes of 24kg snatches everyday to get to your SSST
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    So, I just read a little bit about SAID. If I understand correctly, SAID applied to snatching would only make your body more capable of handling snatching, in general. It won't improve you SSST snatch scores, but it will thicken bones or strengthen tendons or ligaments that are involved in the movement.

    If I'm right about the above, then your snatch program doesn't violate SAID. But, snatching with heavier weights would increase the overload on the muscles, thereby increasing strength. I'm not sure what fancy principle that falls under. In the Army, we used the following principles of fitness:

    Progression
    Regularity
    Overload
    Variety
    Recovery
    Balance
    Specificity

    Your snatch program seems to meet the standards of Specificity, Progression, and Overload. I think you'll be fine.

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    Thanks for all the replies, guys. Sounds like I'm okay working in some heavier bells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danfaz View Post
    Thanks for all the replies, guys. Sounds like I'm okay working in some heavier bells.
    OK, encouraged.....Bayshore Kettlebells: How to Add 10-20 repetitions to your 5 minute snatch test....
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    Awesome! Thanks so much, Faizal!

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    Faizal,

    You should submit this as an article. I wish I read it sooner!

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