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    kodo kb is offline Senior Member
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    Hey guys, I just wanted to clear a few things up about where I stand.

    Kenneth Jay's study has not been peer reviewed. I should have mentioned it when I first posted about the study, but the fact is that it slipped my mind.

    Vertical jump ability is about how much strength one has, and how fast one can activate that strength. Heavy squats/deadlifts/(place compound leg exercise here) will increase ones strength. Plyometrics (and I would argue overspeed eccentric kettlebell lifts) increase one's ability to activate that strength.

    As AndrewR says, plyometrics are not useful for novice or weak athletes. Until a good base of strength is reached, plyometrics aren't as good as pure strength training for increasing one's vertical jump, and could possibly be dangerous. That's why I prefer overspeed eccentric kettlebell lifts. Anyone can learn how to do a HS swing safely and effectively.

    So coachY, I'm sorry if I started the attack against you, because it wasn't my intention. I agree with the majority of what you think, for I have delved into the research as well. I do, however, disagree with you over your belief that overspeed eccentric kettlebell lifts cannot train one to activate their strength just as plyometrics can.

    Also, I understand skepticism; it is an important quality to have when discussing science. I cannot speak for Kenneth Jay's study other than I trust Dragon Door and it's affiliates--they have never sold me misinformation. The other study I mentioned, however, (at least the section dealing with overspeed eccentrics) is well researched and cited. Therefore you do not need to take the authors word for it, because he has given you the peer-reviewed science to check out yourself.

    coachY, I certainly hope we haven't turned you away of this forum. I usually find it a great place for training info, ideas, and motivation, as well as a diverse community of people trying to better themselves.

    Cheers,
    Josh

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachY View Post
    I quickly looked up Kenneth Jay, Robertson, and Thibaudeau on google. They all do have a secret agenda on their mind - self promotion and selling their products/services. Therefore any research done by them will not be very valuable.
    That must be the most poorly hidden agenda ever, Kenneth Jay makes KB DVD's and books and charges money for them. Any fool could plainly see that he is an advocate for kettlebells and wants to make money. Did he ever say he conducted business a nonprofit enterprise?

    We should read things here (and everywhere else) with a grain of salt, skepticism is a very healthy thing, but marketing is no conspiracy, it's just people acting in their best interest as they should.

    My secret agenda is to make clever posts and get more reputation don't tell anybody shhh.

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    kodo kb is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by greg57 View Post
    My secret agenda is to make clever posts and get more reputation don't tell anybody shhh.
    Drats! I fell for your ruse once again. You're so clever with your reverse psychology Greg; I cannot compete.
    Josh

    P.S. I have the same agenda... that's why I try to make well-informed posts. You can tell anyone you want though--I need all the help I can get.

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