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    Rich in Nor Cal is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatman View Post
    Bodybuilding, if boiled down to its basic principles:

    1. Progressive resistance training focused on total-body development
    2. Cardiovascular fitness
    3. Well-planned healthy diet

    is in fact one of the healthiest activities one can indulge in.
    I agree to a point. Even without roids, though, there are many bb supplements on the market that could be dangerous, especially taken in combinations, in excessive amounts, or under conditions of dehydration or very low bodyfat.

    A couple of years ago I went into a GNC in town and looked at their stuff. One thing that contained creatine also contained 400 mg of caffeine! If you simply doubled the dose, you would be getting lots of creatine, which is dehydrating and potentially straining on the kidneys, 800 mg of caffeine, or about 8 cups of strong coffee, and high levels of arginine and some other stuff which is supposed to increase NO. If you took that with a double dose of whey protein, which also requires extra water to be processed by the body, and didn't hydrate enough, you have a definite recipe for heart or kidney problems, especially if you were to follow those things with a very intense workout in a hot, humid gym (though it could happen in a cool gym as well).

    Dehydration can cause a heat stroke, a condition where the heart goes into fibrillation because, due to dehydration, it can't sweat enough to cool down, and the heart speeds up and the surface capillaries open up in the body's effort to cool down, until the heart gives out from fatigue. This is what kills wrestlers who dehydrate to make weight.

    This may not be what killed him, it may have been as others said, a congenital condition, or something else. But it is suspicious for a healthy 45 yo man to drop dead of a heart attack in the middle of a workout, and it raises some flags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CZECHSTER View Post
    NATURAL Bodybuilding is healthy.
    Unless you're dieting down for a show. As I mentioned before, my wife was a natural bodybuilder but because of how restrictive her diet and how intense her regimen was had kidney issues prior to the competition. The day she won she looked great but felt like a walking corpse.

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    As has been said before, "Squatting does not hurt your knees. How YOU squat hurts YOUR knees". The same can be said here-Bodybuilding does not cause ill health. How some people bodybuild causes them ill health.

    Jack LaLanne lived to what-90+? Steve Reeves lived a long life. Reg Park lived to 79. Franco Columbu is 69. Frank Zane is 68. I'd say if you turned the clock back to pre-steroid times, you'll find even more bodybuilders who lived long, strong, healthy lives. John Grimek? 88 yrs old. Bill Pearl? 80 yrs old.

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    Rich in Nor Cal is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Drewry View Post
    As has been said before, "Squatting does not hurt your knees. How YOU squat hurts YOUR knees". The same can be said here-Bodybuilding does not cause ill health. How some people bodybuild causes them ill health.

    Jack LaLanne lived to what-90+? Steve Reeves lived a long life. Reg Park lived to 79. Franco Columbu is 69. Frank Zane is 68. I'd say if you turned the clock back to pre-steroid times, you'll find even more bodybuilders who lived long, strong, healthy lives. John Grimek? 88 yrs old. Bill Pearl? 80 yrs old.
    Fair enough. What concerns me are things like the extreme bodyfat loss and dehydration before competition, and the use of high levels of supplements that can sometimes be dangerous if overused and if one isn't careful to stay well-hydrated while using them. The activity in itself I absolutely agree is healthy. It just seems like the bad stuff is so often a part of the game with the good stuff, and people need to be more aware of the dangers involved.

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    actually that did just remind me; lamar gant. i recall reading he maintained around a 3% bodyfat most of his career without any special dieting or cutting (powerlfiter, why bother, bt detrimental to dehydrate!) just through virtue of his activity level and healthy eating. so if you subbed in a bodybuilding routine (or hell, the same sort of one, let's face it for his height and weight that was a pretty good physique right there) and eat well you should be healthy no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greyman View Post
    actually that did just remind me; lamar gant. i recall reading he maintained around a 3% bodyfat most of his career without any special dieting or cutting (powerlfiter, why bother, bt detrimental to dehydrate!) just through virtue of his activity level and healthy eating. so if you subbed in a bodybuilding routine (or hell, the same sort of one, let's face it for his height and weight that was a pretty good physique right there) and eat well you should be healthy no problem.
    Perhaps, but if a human drops below 2% b.f., the blood thickens due to lack of lipids, putting an unbearable strain on the heart that is deadly. Combined with dehydration, which also thickens the blood and lowers its volume, 3% could also be dangerous, especially in combination with dehydrating supplements and working out in a hot, humid environment. By itself, 3% b.f. is not dangerous, from what I've read.

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