Feel like I may have wasted another 1.5 years

**JSStevensRKC** · 03-07-2011, 07:38 AM

Don't give up. Keep seeking out new trainers until you find the one that works for you.

**Bradley** · 03-07-2011, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by marathonnh

I am just curious what you mean about the inward twist of your knee. I am struggling with an inwardly rotated left knee-femur-but the lower leg twists out. It has caused all sorts of problems for me as I am a long-time marathon runner. I have tried rolfing and Feldenkrais.

I'm not sure. That's just what if feel like. Or like my lower leg is pulling itself up laterally, making my knee bend inward.

But no one who looks as my legs sees what I see and feel.

**Misfit** · 03-07-2011, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bradley

I'm not sure. That's just what if feel like. Or like my lower leg is pulling itself up laterally, making my knee bend inward.

But no one who looks as my legs sees what I see and feel.

When you say "no one" are you talking about a doctor, or sports physiologist? If so, than your leg may physically be fine. And what you feel is something else, like a musculature problem, or maybe even it's all just in your head. But if you're talking about unqualified people looking at your leg and not seeing a problem, than you would probably benefit from having it looked at by a professional.

**Bradley** · 03-07-2011, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Misfit

When you say "no one" are you talking about a doctor, or sports physiologist? If so, than your leg may physically be fine. And what you feel is something else, like a musculature problem, or maybe even it's all just in your head. But if you're talking about unqualified people looking at your leg and not seeing a problem, than you would probably benefit from having it looked at by a professional.

Yes.

I've been to numerous doctors and PT's, who don't see much of a problem, other than minor tracking issues, and all the things we've worked at have not made anything feel or look any closer to normal.

**Bradley** · 03-07-2011, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by forth

Not a clue here either.. Have you tried getting in contact with some FMS or Z-health people and maybe getting some opinion from their point of view?

The last PT I've been seeing has experience in these things atleast z-health, and is very into kettlebell stuff. But this person thinks my legs are fine, and I think they are as bad as ever. I've worked with this person for the past year and half and my legs essentially feel just as lousy as before. Whatever improvements we've made haven't addressed my main concern.

**Rich in Nor Cal** · 03-07-2011, 05:42 PM

Is there pain or discomfort associated with it? Or is mainly you are concerned about the risk of an injury resulting from it? Did it come on slowly or was there a traumatic injury? How did you first notice it? Is it currently affecting your movement, and if so, in what way?

**Bradley** · 03-07-2011, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rich in Nor Cal

Is there pain or discomfort associated with it? Or is mainly you are concerned about the risk of an injury resulting from it? Did it come on slowly or was there a traumatic injury? How did you first notice it? Is it currently affecting your movement, and if so, in what way?

I am concerned with potential injury. But I'm also concerned with the fact that every second of every day my legs feel extremely abnormal. And they don't feel strong, or healthy at all. They just feel completely wrong, and it eats at me constantly.

**Scotsfan** · 03-07-2011, 07:06 PM

Ok, lets be serious here for a second and recognize if your legs feel abnormal--"unhealthy", you need to see some real doctors and quit screwing around on a workout board for advice.

If you have a good health care plan, see the following as soon as you can:

1. A neurologist. Is it your lower back? Is it an issue affecting your nerves?
2. A doctor who specializes in circulation...a vascular specialist. Do you have Peripheral Vascular Disease?
3. And have you had your blood work done to eliminate potential other concerns?

If it is as serious as you indicate, see some doctors and eliminate the worst case possibilities immediately.

**Kai Johnson** · 03-07-2011, 07:15 PM

So there are no structural issues with the leg according to all of the doctors, etc. you've seen?

Have you tried barbell squatting and/or deadlifting to strengthen your legs? I had a few issues from my hip (I had to finally have a full replacement just over a year ago at age 42) and regular barbell back squats and deadlifts have helped me to regain the strength I had before my surgery and helped me to move better again. My knees were pretty jacked up from compensating from having to move weirdly (I had a partially collapsed femur head from the bone dying).

I finally feel pretty close to great now. I spend months on my mobility and flexibility (stretching, some Z, some joint mobility and some foam rolling). Diligent work and making steady progress in getting stronger finally has me feeling just short of great. I have way too much mileage for my battered body to feel perfect...but it's pretty close.

The squatting really helped my knees feel much better though. Just a thought and this is assuming you are healthy enough to do these and you have the means to learn and do them correctly.

You didn't really answer Rich's question though. Did you at any point have an injury or anything that could have caused this? Did the doctors thoroughly examine your legs including MRI's, Xrays, etc. if appropriate?

**Bradley** · 03-07-2011, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Scotsfan

Ok, lets be serious here for a second and recognize if your legs feel abnormal--"unhealthy", you need to see some real doctors and quit screwing around on a workout board for advice.

If you have a good health care plan, see the following as soon as you can:

1. A neurologist. Is it your lower back? Is it an issue affecting your nerves?
2. A doctor who specializes in circulation...a vascular specialist. Do you have Peripheral Vascular Disease?
3. And have you had your blood work done to eliminate potential other concerns?

If it is as serious as you indicate, see some doctors and eliminate the worst case possibilities immediately.

I've seen doctors, and they think i'm fine, or nearly so.