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    Bradley is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai Johnson View Post
    So there are no structural issues with the leg according to all of the doctors, etc. you've seen?

    Have you tried barbell squatting and/or deadlifting to strengthen your legs? I had a few issues from my hip (I had to finally have a full replacement just over a year ago at age 42) and regular barbell back squats and deadlifts have helped me to regain the strength I had before my surgery and helped me to move better again. My knees were pretty jacked up from compensating from having to move weirdly (I had a partially collapsed femur head from the bone dying).

    I finally feel pretty close to great now. I spend months on my mobility and flexibility (stretching, some Z, some joint mobility and some foam rolling). Diligent work and making steady progress in getting stronger finally has me feeling just short of great. I have way too much mileage for my battered body to feel perfect...but it's pretty close.

    The squatting really helped my knees feel much better though. Just a thought and this is assuming you are healthy enough to do these and you have the means to learn and do them correctly.

    You didn't really answer Rich's question though. Did you at any point have an injury or anything that could have caused this? Did the doctors thoroughly examine your legs including MRI's, Xrays, etc. if appropriate?
    I've had numerous x-rays and MRI's, and the doctors find nothing worth operating on. One doctor said he didn't like the way the tendon above the right knee looked in the MRI, but that was it. I injured my left knee years ago, a very minor injury, partial tear to quad tendon, but that I could, run, play, do whatever I wanted on, though it was eventually repaired.


    Strength isn't a problem. My legs are completely out of whack. They aren't lined up right, and nothing feels normal. Squatting feels wrong. Everything feels wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley View Post
    My legs are completely out of whack. They aren't lined up right, and nothing feels normal. Squatting feels wrong. Everything feels wrong.
    I'm afraid you're not going to find the answer to your problems here.

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    Its been my experience in the past that many medical professionals that do not practise the iron game themselves generally have no idea about the aches pains and injuries that come with this type of movement,or what causes them. The key maybe to find a chiro or someone who is a good KBER or powerlifter themselves..when i started seeing a couple off professionals that where doing what i was attempting to do , it was completely different to just seeing an expert that knows nothing about training.dont give up someone out there can help and nothing is ever a lost cause.
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    Bradley,
    I have been following your situation for quite some time now and have offered advice at various times.

    You are doing full Pistols - with weight.
    Full TGUs
    Swings
    and more...
    Less ache, less pain.

    MRIs, X-rays don't show anything and all of the testing, Dr's, PTs are telling you your legs are "normal".

    Your chief complaint is that your legs don't feel normal or that they feel twisted and "out of whack" so this indicates (at least to me) that you have a problem with your perception of your legs.

    Just like a bodybuilder with "body dysmorphia" always feels that they are too small - it seems you have a "mental block" or perception issue when it comes to your legs in a similar fashion.

    So either a neurologist needs to evaluate you to be sure there isn't a higher level situation
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    You need to change your body/brain mapping of your legs

    It may sound really weird but have you tried wearing a pair of compression tights (full leg) (think Under Armour)?

    If it is a body mapping issue you might need the extra baroreceptor stimulation and skim stimulation to assist in relearning your legs.

    You have pursued a solution to this for several years now and I hope you do find an answer.

    Brett

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJones RKC View Post
    Bradley,
    I have been following your situation for quite some time now and have offered advice at various times.

    You are doing full Pistols - with weight.
    Full TGUs
    Swings
    and more...
    Less ache, less pain.

    MRIs, X-rays don't show anything and all of the testing, Dr's, PTs are telling you your legs are "normal".

    Your chief complaint is that your legs don't feel normal or that they feel twisted and "out of whack" so this indicates (at least to me) that you have a problem with your perception of your legs.

    Just like a bodybuilder with "body dysmorphia" always feels that they are too small - it seems you have a "mental block" or perception issue when it comes to your legs in a similar fashion.

    So either a neurologist needs to evaluate you to be sure there isn't a higher level situation
    or
    You need to change your body/brain mapping of your legs

    It may sound really weird but have you tried wearing a pair of compression tights (full leg) (think Under Armour)?

    If it is a body mapping issue you might need the extra baroreceptor stimulation and skim stimulation to assist in relearning your legs.

    You have pursued a solution to this for several years now and I hope you do find an answer.

    Brett
    It sounds like you've been talking to my PT.

    I can do swings and tgu's, but my sense of what is wrong doesn't really have much to do with being able to do those things.
    I still am doing them, because I can, and they seem beneficial for lots of other reasons, but I don't have a lot of confidence that they relate closely to my problem.

    I CAN do pistols, but they feel so awkward as to possibly be dangerous.

    There might be something mental to all this, but all of my mental hang-ups are based, at least in part, on distinct physical sensations. I'm nearly certain there is a physical problem somewhere between my hips and toes.

    Thanks to everyone for your recommendations.

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    Look into The Body has a Mind of it's Own by Sandra Blakeslee

    It may very well be a body mapping issue and the "under armor" type of compression tights was not a joke.

    Best of luck and I didn't speak to your PT - I've just been following your situation for quite some time

    Brett

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    I don't know if it has been recommended yet but you could try seeing a TCM doctor. They can help with some amazing things.

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    Default The foot

    I would start by seeing a podiatrist since your whole body is built on the foot being sound and not having any structural flaws. No amount of exercise will repair a genetic flaw in your foot.
    The next thing would be your back with a possible nerve constriction.
    These are just my guesses but a good place to start.

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    Might as well discuss the 800 lb gorilla in this thread, since as fitness professionals who deal with new clients on an ongoing basis, it's entirely probable that the members of this forum will run into something like this sooner or later.

    Bradley, what you've described sounds a lot like Body Dismorphic Disorder, which is basically being preoccupied with a physical flaw, real or percieved, to the point where it's affecting your quality of life disproportionately.

    All the symptoms you've described are subjective compared to a condition that existed 7 years ago, what that was you don't go into detail about, and describe your perception of your lower extremities, valid as they may be, that remain undiagnosed by professionals in both mainstream and alternative medicine. That your ITB seems tight may be causing some impingement, but not affecting your functionality. You've presented with no objective symptoms... no numbness, tingling, pain, decrease in function, or any traumatic event that would have lead to your current state.

    Bradley, it sounds like this is causing you some emotional distress, and it has been for some time, and you're unhappy with your current place. I would urge you to consider mentioning your concerns to your primary care provider, that there hasn't been a concrete diagnosis made by the specialists you've seen, that this is negatively affecting your quality of life, and that maybe this condition applies to you.

    I could be absolutely wrong. But if this is taking control over your life, you deserve a chance to rule this out.

    Namaste'.

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    I'm no professional, only a student. But maybe your golgi tendon organ got messed up on the knee you damaged in the past. Golgi tendon organs are located on the tendon where it meets the muscle. They are a proprioceptor which gives the nervous system feedback about muscle tension, joint postion, and joint angle. If this gets severely damaged during a tendon strain or rupture your physiological and conscious control and awareness of a joint being moved through space can be seriously affected.

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