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    Bradley is offline Senior Member
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    Default Feel like I may have wasted another 1.5 years

    I've been seeing a PT for the past year and a half to help my legs/knees feel better. She thinks everything is basically fine. My knees don't ache as often, but I think that might be diet related more than anything we've done. I'm mostly doing swings, tgu's, pistols. But nothing feels right. My legs don't feel comfortable, strong, or normal.

    She says I'm more "put together" than before, and that I was kind of a mess before, which may all be true. She thinks I basically just need to keep doing what I'm doing, but I am not sure. But my legs don't feel any more normal than they have in the past 7 years, and they constantly feel awkward. We may have fixed some problems, but it feels like the underlying problem is still there, and hasn't been improved in the least. It feels like my knee is permanently bent inward, and the ITB seems really tight, but she doesn't think it is very tight. The muscles of the quad don't work right, and look a little misshapen compared to what I remember them looking like. They're still just as creaky as they were before. It feels like my upper leg is twisted with respect to the lower leg, or visa versa, like something is seriously out of alignment, but she, and other people who have looked at it think the alignment is normal.

    I have no idea what to do, and this problem is coming close to ruining my life. No one that I've dealt with over the last 5 years has been able to help and I have no idea what to do. I don't know if I can just keep willing myself through workouts while my legs keep feeling really weird.

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    On another forum someone is recommending rolfing. Anyone know if that's any good, or a scam?
    Last edited by Bradley; 03-06-2011 at 07:39 PM. Reason: Replaced "thread" with "forum."

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    Sorry I cannot give you good advice on this. Never heard of rolfing, so I only can wish you the best of luck.

    I can only speak of my own experience with a bad left knee (it turned out I have torn my knee ligaments years ago, so once in a while my knee is annoyed or just painfull. It happens most of the times with running or when the weather gets colder). It used to annoy me as it always seemed to happen when I was doing a routine I enjoyed. Now I have learned to work around it when it gets painfull, many more options to still get a good workout. Luckily I have no problem doing swings or snatches or c&p's, so plenty of possibilities to get a good workout while giving the knee some rest.

    But again, this is no answer to your question/ problem, just could tell what I do. Again best of luck.

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    Not a clue here either.. Have you tried getting in contact with some FMS or Z-health people and maybe getting some opinion from their point of view?

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    Find what's not moving and move it.

    Send me an E-mail if you want more help (that advice goes a long way): apolakifitness@gmail.com
    Darryl Lardizabal, USAW, Z-Health Movement Performance Specialist (R,I,S,T)
    E-Mail: apolakifitness@gmail.com
    Blog: http://www.movefu.com & http://www.apolakifitness.com

    Disclaimer: Posts NOT intended as professional medical, training or nutrition advice. Please see your trusted medical professional first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darryllardizabal View Post
    Find what's not moving and move it.
    This must be the coolest advice I have ever seen giving. Made my day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley View Post
    On another forum someone is recommending rolfing. Anyone know if that's any good, or a scam?
    It's definitely not a scam. Rolfing used to be very popular on here back in the old days before Z health, FMS etc (I know that Rif used to suggest it as an option). I have seen two different Rolfers now in England and Germany and I am always very happy with the results. From what you describe it would be something that would probably be worth you investigating. Rolfing is all about helping you with your structure and alignment from my understanding. I have found that seeing a Rolfer and then working on mobility etc after has paid off well. (The guys I have seen have always offered a free consultation and even a short session - so you can get an idea as to whether it is worth continuing with. Might be worth seeing if you can arrange this as well).

    Good luck,

    Chiggers

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    My $.02? Start from scratch. Static wall squats...work up to 5 solid minutes. Good form, upper body relaxed. Then begin adding weight. Next progress to slow reps without the wall.

    As you progress, look for any weakness along the way. An imbalance...a muscle group that isn't as strong as the rest so you're more balanced. You may have a small disc injury in your lower back that is causing the problem.

    I'm sure you're stretching--if not, slowly add some stretching to the mix.

    The biggest mistake people make is trying to force or maintain current levels of activity--it may not seem a big deal now, but, 5 or 10 years down the road you're left with something a little more chronic and irreversible.

    And there's no shame in stopping certain exercises--I gave up bench presses over five years ago when shoulder issues began and never looked back. Most of exercises we do are artificial and go against the natural flow of the body, and, worse, we grind out these exercises because a book or guru says its good for us without considering the long term ramifications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley View Post
    I've been seeing a PT for the past year and a half to help my legs/knees feel better. She thinks everything is basically fine. My knees don't ache as often, but I think that might be diet related more than anything we've done. I'm mostly doing swings, tgu's, pistols. But nothing feels right. My legs don't feel comfortable, strong, or normal.

    She says I'm more "put together" than before, and that I was kind of a mess before, which may all be true. She thinks I basically just need to keep doing what I'm doing, but I am not sure. But my legs don't feel any more normal than they have in the past 7 years, and they constantly feel awkward. We may have fixed some problems, but it feels like the underlying problem is still there, and hasn't been improved in the least. It feels like my knee is permanently bent inward, and the ITB seems really tight, but she doesn't think it is very tight. The muscles of the quad don't work right, and look a little misshapen compared to what I remember them looking like. They're still just as creaky as they were before. It feels like my upper leg is twisted with respect to the lower leg, or visa versa, like something is seriously out of alignment, but she, and other people who have looked at it think the alignment is normal.

    I have no idea what to do, and this problem is coming close to ruining my life. No one that I've dealt with over the last 5 years has been able to help and I have no idea what to do. I don't know if I can just keep willing myself through workouts while my legs keep feeling really weird.
    Hello, I'm so sorry for the situation your going through. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be. Since you have found the medical route to be unsatisfactory I would highly recommend taking up Feldenkrais.

    Incase your unfamilier with it I will do my best to describe it. However it's very hard to do so as it really needs to be experienced. It's basically creating awareness through natural movement. It's a natural form of movement that feels good and promotes very healthy neurological patterns. It's basically impact free on your joints and is a very gentle discipline as opposed to what you have been doing. There are many reported cases of pain seeming to dissapear once much more natural and movement patterns have been established. In fact the founder Moshe Feldenkrais came up with this after he had destroyed his knee and was told it would never recover 100%. However he proved them wrong! He was also a Physicist and a Judo master.

    Videos don't really convey this well at all. It has to be experienced. It's a truly wonderfull thing to do and compliments strength training extremly well. Here is a video to help give you a better idea.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvoBRIHdqbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley View Post
    ...It feels like my knee is permanently bent inward, and the ITB seems really tight, but she doesn't think it is very tight. The muscles of the quad don't work right, and look a little misshapen compared to what I remember them looking like. They're still just as creaky as they were before. It feels like my upper leg is twisted with respect to the lower leg, or visa versa, like something is seriously out of alignment, but she, and other people who have looked at it think the alignment is normal.

    I have no idea what to do, and this problem is coming close to ruining my life. No one that I've dealt with over the last 5 years has been able to help and I have no idea what to do. I don't know if I can just keep willing myself through workouts while my legs keep feeling really weird.
    I am just curious what you mean about the inward twist of your knee. I am struggling with an inwardly rotated left knee-femur-but the lower leg twists out. It has caused all sorts of problems for me as I am a long-time marathon runner. I have tried rolfing and Feldenkrais.

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