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    Silverfroth is offline Senior Member
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    Good thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffreyLevens View Post
    I am pretty new to KB, about a year. Been working my way... I love doing snatches but am curious what the benefit they have (besides more complexity, more coordination) over swings or high pulls. Been working on Viking Warrior program and playing with it a bit and find swings aerobically much more challenging since there is no pause at the top. Even that 1/2 second or whatever each snatch adds up to a lot of rest! High pulls even more challenging than swings, more muscle groups more challenged etc and no pause/rest.

    So why would I do snatches rather than either of the other two for high intensity intervals like VWC?

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    Snatches do require "more" overall than swings and high pulls. They require more force or power to get the kb higher along with the shoulder strength for lock out stability. This is main reason why many can single arm swing the beast but they are unable to snatch it. I find it odd that swings are more aerobically challenging though. Try a 5 minute snatch test for 100 reps with your appropriate weight. Then compare that to 100 single arm swings with the same weight and see what is more aerobically challenging.
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    Because puting the weight over your head is more magical then just dingling it between your legs

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB/KM View Post
    Snatches do require "more" overall than swings and high pulls. They require more force or power to get the kb higher along with the shoulder strength for lock out stability. This is main reason why many can single arm swing the beast but they are unable to snatch it. I find it odd that swings are more aerobically challenging though. Try a 5 minute snatch test for 100 reps with your appropriate weight. Then compare that to 100 single arm swings with the same weight and see what is more aerobically challenging.
    maybe this is because of the tiny "rest period" that your lungs can get during the overhead lockout. I guess when translated to multiple repetitions, these very small intervals accumulate to a significant amount. any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by virgilgarcia View Post
    maybe this is because of the tiny "rest period" that your lungs can get during the overhead lockout. I guess when translated to multiple repetitions, these very small intervals accumulate to a significant amount. any thoughts?
    I think KB/KM was saying he thought I was mistaken. I think maybe you are correct though, at least for the rate I was doing them ie 5-6 per 15 second interval.

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    Its not like you get a long break with the bell in the overhead position...its up and down like the swing.
    I would still come back to if you do 100 snatches in 5 minutes, or 200 in 10 minutes, I think you will be significantly more tired than if you were to do swings with the same weight in the same time frame.
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    If the snatch is just "up down like the swing", and you're comparing it to the snatch test 100/ 5min, there's a fair chance that the reps won't be considered legal.

    One of the drawbacks of VWC is many end up not getting full extension/ lockout at the top or looking down which ends up giving a false sense of vertical when the arm is held by the ear.

    Taking a weight a bigger distance should be harder from a mechanical POV, but the reality is that the bell floats a distance in the snatch between the hip drive and the punch through. On the swing there is no rest, unless you're skilled enough to float the bell out of the hole on each rep. KJ had some great points about the mechanics of swing vs snatch for VO2Max conditioning a while ago, I'd suggest searching for it.

    Good thread.

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    Here's that KJ thread

    VO2Max with swings

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewR View Post
    If the snatch is just "up down like the swing", and you're comparing it to the snatch test 100/ 5min, there's a fair chance that the reps won't be considered legal.
    Hmm I stand corrected...my wording was probably a bit wrong but I was more saying that you dont get a long rest in the lockout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Himynamesjoe View Post
    Hmm I stand corrected...my wording was probably a bit wrong but I was more saying that you dont get a long rest in the lockout.
    Although this is true, i did suggest that the short interval between the lockout and the drop could accumulate to a significant total in the long run. But that is just intuitive, of course. Maybe someone else can expertly answer the OP's initial question.
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