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    Wassernixe is offline Junior Member
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    Default What does determine strength?

    I have just found some inspiration at the "Ice Chamber Girls" who compete in kettlebelling. Those women are small, petite, lean and can clean and jerk a 32 kg kettlebell for reps. Sure, they are VERY lean but as they are probably all under 115 pounds they can`t have a lot of muscle mass even at low body fat. I am taller, weight more, do not have a high body fat % either but know way I can even clean the 32 kg (and no way the 24 kg either...). So I am curious what determines their strength? It cannot be muscle mass and I have learned here that the myofibrillar hypertrophy as "useless" muscle is a misconception. Is strength more a skill than a matter of anything else? Are you theoretically limited by your muscle mass? I am just curious what factors make someone extraordinarily strong and someone with the same body composition (and the same weight) much weaker...
    Thank ou for your ideas!

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    Hard work! Strength is a skill, for sure. Hard work! They haven't just rolled up and started pressing a 32kg. Hard work! Years and years of consistent, persistent, specific, measurable, purposeful and hard training. Genetics of course play a certain part too.
    When I say hard... I don't necessarily mean that every workout has been hell for leather. They increase/decrease resistance and intensity and volume etc. Wise training methods. It's important to train the CNS. Neural adaptation is very important and knowing how is about having the knowledge, support, understanding and commitment to do it. It's not just about picking a weight up and throwing it about as I'm sure you are aware.


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    Yorkshirecomrade has got it bang on!

    These women have followed progressive exercise plans to meet THEIR goals. I could be excellent at deadlifting or pull ups, if I follow a specific program to improve those two SKILLS, but I would lack in lots of other areas. Hard work and determination in trying to achieve YOUR goal is the way. Also, in my opinion mental toughness is a big part of progress - that ability to push out the extra 2 or 3 reps when you think you have no more in the tank - and with good technique. And yes, strength is very skill related. Read any of Pavel's books and you will learn this very quickly.
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    fact: strength is limited by your muscle mass.

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    Like any other athletic endeavor, performance in strength sports is determined by the successful mastery of the lifts in question. This involves a mixture of technique/form, highly specific strength training and mental approach.

    The ladies the OP mentioned have been working on the lifts required by their sport for years, following a very specialized training approach. If you devote yourself to practising the lifts in question you will make rapid progress and in time far exceed the weights that are now too heavy for you. Yes, strength is a skill above everything else.

    Muscle mass does ultimately limit strength, but most trainees (except for elite strength athletes probably) can probably double their present strength levels without gaining additional muscle mass. To illustrate my point, unless you're a 200 lb. lifter capable of squatting 600, bench pressing around 450 and deadlifting close to 700, you probably do not need to add extra muscle mass to get stronger. There are plenty of guys hitting those numbers at around 180 lbs. of BW, and a few who can do it at 160. Work to get strong with what you have.
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    You can increase your strength by incerasing your muscle tension. Read NW to know more

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    I think we all agree that neural adaptation and muscle mass gains both attribute to determining strength. In "KB Muscle" Geoff Neupert talks about "why not both" in his book. Could it be that with neural adaptation as you get stronger and lifting heavier you experience the prospect of diminishing returns? And that in order to continue to gain strength at a higher level you simply need more hardware (muscle mass). On the flip side a body builder who lifts weights only to the extant that he gets the "pump" - does not quite develope their CNS to its full potential. Not that body builders are wimps - most all of them are far stronger than the average. Its just that they could be yet again stronger if they worked both sides of the coin..Dennis

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    On page 7-8 in Geoff's book KB Muscle, he explains RELATIVE Strength and ABSOLUTE Strength - the cycling of both for maximum effect..Dennis

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    For most people, their strength is held back by what is between their ears.

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    Default guy above

    For most people, that's air.

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