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    Default Typical beginner strength gains using PTTP?

    Comrades,

    I was wondering what sort of deadlift strength gains can be expected for a beginner following PTTP?

    In the last few weeks I've gone from using 5kg bumper plates to pulling 120kg for 5 last night. I'm really looking forward to pulling 140kg, as that represents a double bodyweight lift. Just hope I can keep these great gains going a little longer.

    One other quick question, I still wanna play around with kb's while doing this program, so is it ok to do my pressing via kb press ladders, or is it really necessary to do 2 sets of 5 presses?

    Thanks in advance.
    Mitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchcumstein View Post
    Comrades,

    I was wondering what sort of deadlift strength gains can be expected for a beginner following PTTP?

    In the last few weeks I've gone from using 5kg bumper plates to pulling 120kg for 5 last night. I'm really looking forward to pulling 140kg, as that represents a double bodyweight lift. Just hope I can keep these great gains going a little longer.

    One other quick question, I still wanna play around with kb's while doing this program, so is it ok to do my pressing via kb press ladders, or is it really necessary to do 2 sets of 5 presses?

    Thanks in advance.
    Mitch.
    Beginner gains are extremely dependent on the beginner. That said, I still think you should have little problem in pulling 140 in a few weeks. Even if your progress starts to slow down, PTP will surely keep increasing your poundage little by little with cycling. It's not like you'll only lift more as long as you are a beginner. Even after years of deadlifting, PTP should be able to slowly increase your max.

    You do not have to follow the PTP protocol for KB exercises. The PTP book is only for barbell. It's the only way in which you can successfully cycle your load as perfectly as the book recommends. Even if you WANTED to do 2x5 of KB presses, you shouldn't do it. You can't really make the second set easier by 10%, and increase by 5 lbs every workout with KBs. I'm guessing you aren't pressing as in PTP (just using the DL). If so, ladders should be more than fine for yah If you are using the Side Press as in PTP, I would not do KB pressing. The Side press, daily, will be enough for your pushing muscles already.

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    Thanks for the quick responce.
    I'm not doing the side press pttp style. I started with dips, but I thought that the dip was not really the same as a press, so I decided to do ladders with kb's instead. A mate of mine is doing rop at the moment, we frequently train together so its convenient if I'm doing the same thing.
    I know that if you change a program then your not doing the program, but as the book states, the press is just the icing on the cake (or was it the cherry on top?!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchcumstein View Post
    Thanks for the quick responce.
    I'm not doing the side press pttp style. I started with dips, but I thought that the dip was not really the same as a press, so I decided to do ladders with kb's instead. A mate of mine is doing rop at the moment, we frequently train together so its convenient if I'm doing the same thing.
    I know that if you change a program then your not doing the program, but as the book states, the press is just the icing on the cake (or was it the cherry on top?!)
    If you change the way in which you Deadlift, then you aren't using PTTP. That's what the saying would refer to.

    But you are more than welcome to use the best component, take out the Side Press, and do your KB pressing ladders. You are simply substituting a component of the book, for another one. As long as the two new components don't influence each other, then you'll be fine.
    Just follow how ETK uses the ladders (H/E/M days, increasing ladders weekly, until you start just increasing the rungs), and you'll do well. Have fun with your friend.

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    Default Hi !

    You are high on the deadlift already, I wouldn´t call you a beginner!...
    Of course, people here pull monstruous weights, but close to a 2BW deadlift is respectable.
    I started pullind less that BW and got to 2BW in less than a year, 170kg for me, for reps. I think PTP will get you there in no time flat.
    About the press, if you are happy with ladders, do them, but be careful about cleaning the bell before each press.... could be a little too much for your back when the volume starts to go up.
    Pavel states that you can do any kind of press you like, so if you want dips, I think the added decompression is a great idea. You can do 5,3,2 dips with added weight, provided a bw dip is very easy for you. Remember, the begining of the cicle is with around 70% of your 5RM.
    About the DL, my very uninformed opinion is that PTP is a richer program than most people reallize. As long as you do it frequent, heavy, cicled and fresh you are follwing it. So you can pull 2X5, 3X3, (1,2,3) ladders, 5X5.... spice up your training when you feel you are about to stall!. And don´t be afraid to reduce weight if you are not mentally prepared for it, The Chief would probably give you a nod on that one if you feel you need it.
    Last, if you don´t own Beyond Bodybuilding I would seriously contemplate getting it. It will give you many answers and it is a masterpiece in its own right.
    Good luck in your training!,

    Jimi.
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    305- I'm relieved that I'm not messing up the program by doing the press ladders, again thanks the answering.

    Jimi- good tip about recleaning the bell each rep, will bear that in mind, especially when progressing to heavier bells (currently using 20kg, hopefully move onto to 24 soon).

    I do own Beyond Bodybuilding, but have not really studied it like I've done with pttp and etk - I initially found it a little disjointed compared to the other books, but thats probably because of the increased content in it. I read a recent thread on the irongarm forum where they were discussing the best strength training book ever written, and BB had more than a few nods. I'll hve to go back for read.

    Loving pttp, very busy time in my life at he moment, but 2sets of deads in the garage takes less thn 10 mins, perfect. Once I get my strength up to at least x2 body weight deadlift I may give the Bear a try, or maybe Mass Made Simple by Dan John - I'm 5'11 and 70kg, always been a little skinny. Goals for future years include passing the ssst in etk, and the progressions in cc look awesome, so would love to reach master steps in those. Anyway, one step at a time, I'm convinced that pttp will prepare me for anything.

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