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    Pats is offline Member
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    Default Never did BW training before, Naked Warrior or CC?

    Hey guys, I'm about to travel somewhere where I won't have time to go to a gym or even bother to look for one so I decided I'm gonna train with BW exercises.

    I heard a lot of good things about Convict Conditioning but while checking the store, I found The Naked Warrior which also looked interesting.

    For a beginner in BW training, which one should I go for?

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    I have both and would reccomend getting both at some point. I have been doing CC since late September 2010 and have made good progress considering I started way out of shape and 42 years old. It takes time, dedication and the ability to keep at it. It is not flashy or quick.

    For starting out I would get Convict Conditioning. It has six main groups that start at an easy, rehab range up to circus strength feat type. Throw in some burpees and you have everything you need, it hits your whole body.

    Naked warrior is great in understanding tension and how it relates to strength plus GTG - greasing the groove. Following the techniques there will move you towards mastering the one arm push-up and the pistol. The pistol explanations helped me in achieving a pistol, CC was not as good as NW in the later steps. Great in the first six steps up to close squats, past that I did NW box pistols to get to full pistols. My strength is lacking to achieve the one arm push-up, for that I am following the CC progressions and applying NW tension techniques.

    Definately get both, but to start I'd follow CC.
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    Hello Pats,

    You say you're an absolute beginner when it comes to bodyweight exercises but are you a beginner when it comes to strength training?

    If not, then I would say Naked Warrior. I honestly think it's one of the best books ever written on strength and it's one of those books that I come back to over and over. If you haven't read any of Pavels work before then be prepared to up your strength in a hurry.

    But it also depends on how you want to train. With Naked Warrior you train throughout the day in very small periods of time, even if it's most definitely possible to just do it in the morning and evenings for instance. Convict Conditioning features a more traditional type of program.

    Also, what are your goals? How long will you travel and when will you be back to your regular gym if you have one?

    I think we need to know more about you before we can answer the question in a fair way.

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    Thank you for the quick response guys.
    As to the questions, I'm not new to strength training, I regularly deadlift, squat, BP etc etc...
    I'm going to be away for 3 months or so.
    Frankly, I prefer to train only once per day to get it over with. Why do I have to train more frequently with Naked Warrior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pats View Post
    Frankly, I prefer to train only once per day to get it over with. Why do I have to train more frequently with Naked Warrior?
    I don't know if you have to really, but the book is based on GTG. You can of course use the techniques and exercises in a different program.

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    TNW is not really a bodyweight book in my opinion, it is a book on strength. The way Pavel introduces you to the HTT (high tension techniques) is through a focused bodyweight program, but it's not a primer on bodyweight drills.

    The core of CC is great. I really enjoyed the progressions through the big six (one-armed pushups, one-legged squats, stand-to-stand bridges, one-armed-pullups, hanging leg raises, and handstand pushups [perhaps with one arm if you train long enough]) and the training philosophy of Paul Wade. CC is probably the best start for anyone who wants to train purely with calisthenics, or just add it in some way to their training.

    That being said, get TNW. TNW is the best book on strength training I have ever read, and I use the concepts discussed every time I train. You will learn how to progress to a one-arm pushup and a one-legged squat, and learn how to get stronger in all of your lifts. I think it is a must read for anyone interested in developing strength.

    So CC is definitely the better book when it comes to pure calisthenic work, but NW is just a better book. CC is a great program, but I progress much faster on it due to the HTT I learned from TNW. I love both, but if your only getting one get TNW becuase the information is much more valuable and you'll get a great full-body bodyweight workout from it.

    Hope this helps,
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    It depends on your goals. I've got TNW and I'm delighted so you won't be disappointed when you buy it. Maybe try TNW and add some other exercises to your routine (deadlift, pullups or both)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pats View Post
    Thank you for the quick response guys.
    As to the questions, I'm not new to strength training, I regularly deadlift, squat, BP etc etc...
    I'm going to be away for 3 months or so.
    Frankly, I prefer to train only once per day to get it over with. Why do I have to train more frequently with Naked Warrior?
    It's not required that you train multiple times a day; it's more of a principle of frequent, fresh practice while learning a high-tension skill. NW refers to it as "Greasing the Groove" and considers it a centerpiece of a minimalist, pure strength program. CC refers to it as "consolidation training", but the program covers multiple movements and trains longer sets. Training multiple times a day, in either program, is doing 2 or 3 reps every time you (do some task) all day because you can't do sets of 5 or 10 yet.

    Honestly, I'd probably recommend CC as a 3-month program, since you already have the basics of strength training. I can only think that 3 months of the kind of 3-dimensional work in CC would make you healthier when you got back to the gym. There are separate benefits in doing 2x5 of this hard movement or doing 3x15 of the easier regression before it, and CC lays that out extremely well.
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    For me, it's about applying the principles and techniques of NW to CC's exercises and progressions. NW's strength-building concepts are second to none. If you can get both, get both. NW's ideas on how to build strength can be applied to neary any resistance exercise, including those of CC. If you can only get one, go for NW and save up your pennies for CC.

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    Consider also Charles Sommer's Building the Gymnastic Body. That in conjunction with heavy barbell work twice a week and some casual GS long cycles has brought me my greatest strength gains yet. After months of stalled progressed, I pressed the bulldog recently without training presses at all.

    Between the NW and CC, I'd probably have to recommend the latter. Although is leaves a lot to be desired in the programming department (just my humble opinion, obviously), it does have a greater selection of exercises and I believe the training philosophy is more solid.

    Years ago I'd have suggested NW, but since then I've moved away from HTT and have found that I'm stronger and healthier than ever. Do luck and enjoy your training!

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