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    nianys is offline Junior Member
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    Default Could a heavier bell help ?!

    Hi guys, I need advice here.
    Beginner but totally addicterd, because in about 3 weeks have seen results in both shape and strength, it's great.
    Initially I got an 8kg bell. Since my left arm couldn't deal with it too well I also got a 6 kg for arm moves.
    Then I got stronger an now use the 8 for just about everything (except halos and practicing the clean).
    Something still is not quite right with my swing though. It's like I can't seem to get optimum "rythm", I don't know if I'making sense here ?
    I get the feeling that a heavier bell could actually produce a better rythm, and involve my hip more. What do you think ?
    Thanks for any input.

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    You could most likely start swinging a 12kg bell. Most women can do it. ( I assume you are a female?) Maybe even a 16kg. Sounds like the weight you are now using is not loading up the hamstrings adequately. If you are addicted you will most likely move up in weight in very short order anyway. Is there an RKC or someone with kettlebells near you where you could try out the different weights of kettlebells? Also see the RKC for proper swing instruction...Dennis

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    I have found when training clients (I'm not an RKC but qualified through KTA) that when using a lighter bell they try to control it with the upper body. When given a heavier bell, because they cannot control the swing using their upper body they use the momentum of the bell which results in more efficient use of the hips.
    Like Dennis said above, 12kg is what most of my clients begin with and some quickly progress onto the 16kg within a month or so

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    Thx to both !
    I knew something was not right with my swing though I have perfectly understood the move and you both describe the problem pretty well : not loading harmstrings enough, and unconsciously controlling the bell with upper body, that's exactly it ! No, unfortunately, there is NO KB developpment in France yet so I can't take a seminar or whatever to try and test the bells. But I did find a good supplier online of cheap bells with free delivery, so I can buy a 12kg now and a 16 kg later if needed, not a huge deal. I have to admit I'd be tickled to one day swing the 16kg AND press the 12 ! Wow, now that's a goal for me
    Claire.

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    If you get the chance I recommend you purchase ETK (Enter The Kettlebell) as it goes through step by step how to execute the swing. This is the beginners bible to Kettlebells.

    With regards to bell size, as Team Leader Andrew Read (Dragon Door Australia) always says regardless of bell size be it you're swinging with an 8 or a 48 your technique should be and always look the same.

    So based on that I think you should be able to perfect the swing with an 8. Go light get it right then progress up size when you can safely execute the move - I'm also speaking from experience here.

    ETK I highly recommend it - I hope this helps and good luck .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tania Poletti View Post
    With regards to bell size, as Team Leader Andrew Read (Dragon Door Australia) always says regardless of bell size be it you're swinging with an 8 or a 48 your technique should be and always look the same.
    I agree it should look the same, but that doesn't mean that that all bells are created equal when it comes to learning. If a bell is too light when learning the swing, it can be very hard to get the feel of what it means to drive the movement from the hips. The arms just aren't accustomed to being ridealong partners. I've seen "lifting" corrected time and again by just moving up in bell until the user gets the feel of the hip drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nianys View Post
    Thx to both !
    I knew something was not right with my swing though I have perfectly understood the move and you both describe the problem pretty well : not loading harmstrings enough, and unconsciously controlling the bell with upper body, that's exactly it ! No, unfortunately, there is NO KB developpment in France yet so I can't take a seminar or whatever to try and test the bells. But I did find a good supplier online of cheap bells with free delivery, so I can buy a 12kg now and a 16 kg later if needed, not a huge deal. I have to admit I'd be tickled to one day swing the 16kg AND press the 12 ! Wow, now that's a goal for me
    Claire.
    Hey Claire, you live in Paris right? (what I'm reading anyway).
    I do too and there actually is ONE RKC in France who gives an introductory course (lvl 1) for KBs, he teaches swings and get ups at first and a few months later, the lvl 2 where he teaches the clean/jerk and snatch.

    I haven't done the lvl 2 yet, (vacation all summer outside of France) but the lvl 1 is great!

    Check out redstarkettlebell.com.

    Imo, it really is a must-have since you're having troubles with the swing. Plus, you're motivated.

    Also, he sells Dragon Door KBs (if you have a car, you buy them immediately so "free" shipping).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcneuen View Post
    I agree it should look the same, but that doesn't mean that that all bells are created equal when it comes to learning. If a bell is too light when learning the swing, it can be very hard to get the feel of what it means to drive the movement from the hips. The arms just aren't accustomed to being ridealong partners. I've seen "lifting" corrected time and again by just moving up in bell until the user gets the feel of the hip drive.
    I have to agree that good for is just that (good form) but it also seems soo logical that a bell that's too light doesn't gain momentum and doesn't fall back as well as it should for optimal rythm, needing the arms to sort of push it backwards, whereas a heavy bell will fall back on its own, and load the hips properly for the next forward movement. It makes a lot of sense to me. I will definitely try with a 12 kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pats View Post
    Hey Claire, you live in Paris right? (what I'm reading anyway).
    I do too and there actually is ONE RKC in France who gives an introductory course (lvl 1) for KBs, he teaches swings and get ups at first and a few months later, the lvl 2 where he teaches the clean/jerk and snatch.

    I haven't done the lvl 2 yet, (vacation all summer outside of France) but the lvl 1 is great!

    Check out redstarkettlebell.com.

    Imo, it really is a must-have since you're having troubles with the swing. Plus, you're motivated.

    Also, he sells Dragon Door KBs (if you have a car, you buy them immediately so "free" shipping).
    Hey there, I'm not in Paris intra muros, but close enough (35 miles). I wanted to take a course last June but it was on the other side of Paris and I found the fee quite high (60€ for a 2 hour class, that's a little pricey). I ordered ETK dvd instead, and watch it over again. I really don't think I'm doing something wrong with my swing (TGU's are great and seamless at 8kg, excited to try them later with 12), I really do feel the 8kg doesn't get enough momentum for a smooth move. I'm sure that 12 gk is not gonna move itself though ;-) Regarding KB's I order them from Gorilla Sports (German C° I think ?) through Amazon and I've had great service and low prices. Bells are covered in vinyl and of good quality.
    Thx a lot for the tip !

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    Quote Originally Posted by nianys View Post
    Hey there, I'm not in Paris intra muros, but close enough (35 miles). I wanted to take a course last June but it was on the other side of Paris and I found the fee quite high (60€ for a 2 hour class, that's a little pricey). I ordered ETK dvd instead, and watch it over again.
    It is 60€ but it is definitely not 2h, the one I attended was more 5 (!) and after a very light breakfast and 1h30 in the subway (I live 20 min of Paris), I was exhausted.
    But w/e, just wanted to help (not an advertiser really :P), ETK DvD is incredibly helpful so gl!

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