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    Rusi is offline Member
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    Default The Testosterone Released During Deadlifts And Squats Does Not Help You Build Arms

    Squat and deads are overrated for arms growth according to The Big Frank from rookiejournal.com.

    http://rookiejournal.com/you-don_t-n...-big-arms.html

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    That is correct. If you want bigger arms, train the arms.

    I don't know of anyone who has built a pair of impressive arms by squatting and deadlifting. I don't even know how that silly idea got started - probably due to a misunderstanding that was then parroted to the clueless training community. I found this part of the article very true:

    "The actual contribution of the arms to both lifts is very low. That's why you see so many people pulling heavy ass deadlifts while having 12" inches arms." (emphasis Fatman's)

    People with large, muscular arms include plenty of direct arm work into their training, and (sadly) quite a few of them don't do squats and deadlifts regularly, or ever.
    Last edited by fatman; 08-25-2011 at 04:52 AM.
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    If hypertrophy is want you want, then train for hypertrophy!

    You may train your arms (and any other body part/movement, for that matter) and gain plenty of strength and no muscle mass whatsoever, as well as you can train for muscular hypertrophy and experience little power increase for a very long time...

    But DLs/presses may build impressive arms, anyway.

    Just my opinion, after 1 year of intensive hypertrophy training.

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    Red face

    Yes I agree with you all. It's simple - you put stress on your body and ONLY THE AFFECTED MUSCLES WILL RECOVER AND GROW. HOwever there are many articles talking bro-science:

    http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/weig...-big-arms.html


    My best deadlift is 182.5 x 3 with super shitty form. My best squat is 132.5 x 4. However my arms are probably 13". My hips (ass) is ultra-big though.

    I like squats and pulls but we have to be honest there are no magic exercises.

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    I have the PTTP book/dvd. Next month I begin DLing for the 1st time. So I am not talking from experience. I think in PttP Pavel talks about Testosterone and how DLs assist in the production of it. Heavy weight/low rep sets over 40 minutes is peak. May I guess that if a bench presser has stalled in progress at about 225lbs, if he were to back off BPing and DLed for a few cycles he may overcome that plataue? My understanding is that the DL effects whole body strength positevely (CNS) if done according to a good plan. As far as bicep size I don't know if the arms get bigger - but you could be stronger overall for the DLs. DLs could very well be the next step for someone who has not done them before - in pursuit of going up a few notches in strength..Just a thought - but I may be TOTALLY wrong here. I am just another guy who wants to be SUMBITCH STRONG!...hehe!!...Dennis

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    JMO, but I'd differentiate between big arms (which I definitely don't have) and strong arms, which I feel I get some benefit on, e.g. from barbell deads and even double KB front squats.

    I'm not seeing the connection in the OP link to testosterone, which (again IMO) is a significant and under-discussed benefit of the DL.

    @ad5ly...looking forward to hearing your results after starting PTTP. A life changer in my opinion.

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    Is this news to anyone???

    I guess I've made the mistake of believing that isolation work was unnecessary once or twice, but I never thought that if you wanted big arms all you needed were squats and DLs... This post might be relevant: http://squatrx.blogspot.com/2010/12/...isolation.html
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    I thought the theory was that it promotes the production of HGH rather than testosterone and that, plus training the arms amounts to faster arm growth than training arms alone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlubbaX View Post
    I thought the theory was that it promotes the production of HGH rather than testosterone and that, plus training the arms amounts to faster arm growth than training arms alone?
    Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Everything I've read said to squat and DL heavy to get bigger arms. They never meant that you didn't work your arms too. The point was that heavy deads and heavy squats cause your body to produce more HGH and testosterone than workouts without them. Blubba, thanks for bringing this thread back from folly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwrjr View Post
    The point was that heavy deads and heavy squats cause your body to produce more HGH and testosterone than workouts without them.
    Add a "possibly" to that sentence and you will have a winner. I am unfamiliar with any sort of evidence for this statement, and anecdotal evidence certainly does not point in that direction.

    Many guys build large, impressive-looking arms without ever squatting or deadlifting, in fact without doing much leg-work... ever. Leg work is not necessary for building upper body muscle. Pavel exposes this fallacy in one of his books.

    And while there is a semantic distinction between big arms and strong arms, 99.99% of the time the guy with the big arms is also stronger than the dude with pipe-cleaners sprouting from his shoulders.
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