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    Default Can I incorporate PTTP into a general workout?

    Hi,

    I wondered if anyone can give me some advice. I'm doing a three-day a week routine, deadlifting once a week.

    But I wondered if it was OK to do deadlifting, PTTP-style, on all three days of my training. Routine's would then look like this:

    MON
    Squats 5x5
    Deadlift PTTP
    Bench 2x8
    Row 2x8
    Curl 2x8
    Shrug 2x8

    WED
    Shoulder press 10x3
    Deadlift PTTP
    Cable rows 3x12
    Leg presses 3x12
    Tricep pushdowns 2x10
    Calf work 2x20

    FRI
    Deadlift PTTP
    Dips 3 sets
    Lateral raises 2x12
    Grip work

    At the moment I only do deadlifts on Friday, but I want to improve, and it seems the way to do deadlift more is to, well, deadlift more.

    By the way, what kind of warm-up should be done for the deadlifting? Pavel isn't specific in the book, but I just wondered if any one has views?

    I'd appreciate any views. I am a relative beginner, been training less than a year.

    Thanks in advance,

    D.

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    First, what is your number 1 goal? If it is increasing overall strength, then you have selected the right book. Read through it again. The book contains a very good roadmap on how to accomplish overall strength by practicing 2 lifts, 5x a week, 2 sets per day,etc... Stay focued on achieving your goal. You just might exceed it.

    Shawn

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    Hi Shawn,

    Thanks so much for responding. Yes, I've read the book, and love the PTTP concept. But I am also looking to pack muscle as well as build strength, which is why I am incorporating the more bodybuilding type exercises. I was just wondering if it was over-doing it, deadlifting 3 times a week in addition to the rest of the workload. I know the book suggests 5 times a week training, but of course you are only doing two exercises.

    D.

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    Go through 1-2, 2-3 week linear cycles of Benching and Deadlifting. You will gain the strength you are after and do not be surprised by the effects this has on the amount of muscle you currently carry on your frame.

    After the straight PttP, try the DeLorme program. The 2 week intro cycle is a must and not an option. This will take you down the road another 8 weeks. You will be happy where this path is leading...

    Shawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dove View Post
    But I am also looking to pack muscle as well as build strength, which is why I am incorporating the more bodybuilding type exercises.
    Read the section on the "Bear" program. The muscle-building effect of a big deadlift workout is much greater than the sum of a bunch of smaller movements like those you listed. You may not believe it, but deadlifts will make your biceps grow. And your lats, traps, rhomboids, calves, forearms, and just about every other muscle in your body. If you're really looking to pack on muscle, consider giving deadlifts an honest try (and the bear program specifically) and eat enough to gain weight every day.

    I can't overstate how good this program is for quick muscle gain. After a couple of weeks, I reached over to scratch my shoulder and was surprised that the outside of my delt was not where I expected it to be. I had similar effects all over - it felt like I was wearing somebody else's body for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dove View Post
    ... but of course you are only doing two exercises.
    Given the same level of effort, those two exercises will deliver far more than the collection of bodybuilding exercises you've listed.

    The approach Shawn gave in the previous post is a good one. Run straight PTTP until the linear cycles stop working well (you stall at or near your previous stalling points after resetting the weights), then go on to an honest hypertrophy program after you've developed a base of strength. The best hypertrophy programs are centered around full body movements like squats and deadlifts for a simple reason: they work.

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    Your not over doing it deadlifting three times a week but are over doing it with all the other extra work you are doing which would probably effect your recovery from your deadlifts.
    PTTP is a minimalist approach to training and was designed that way.
    If you must do bench ,squat, deadlift and military press i would recommend Jim Wendlers 5-3-1 workout.Each lift is done on separate days one day a week and has if needed auxiliary exercises to help each lift that can be part of the workout.
    Did you have a goal in your PTTP cycle?If so did you reach it?If not don't give up on it yet or try to modify it keep it as intended.
    Good luck.

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    Thank you all for your replies. Really useful and helpful advice. This is a great forum, where you feel surrounded my people with tremendous knowledge. Thank you again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dove View Post
    Hi,

    I wondered if anyone can give me some advice. I'm doing a three-day a week routine, deadlifting once a week.

    But I wondered if it was OK to do deadlifting, PTTP-style, on all three days of my training. Routine's would then look like this:

    MON
    Squats 5x5
    Deadlift PTTP
    Bench 2x8
    Row 2x8
    Curl 2x8
    Shrug 2x8

    WED
    Shoulder press 10x3
    Deadlift PTTP
    Cable rows 3x12
    Leg presses 3x12
    Tricep pushdowns 2x10
    Calf work 2x20

    FRI
    Deadlift PTTP
    Dips 3 sets
    Lateral raises 2x12
    Grip work

    At the moment I only do deadlifts on Friday, but I want to improve, and it seems the way to do deadlift more is to, well, deadlift more.

    By the way, what kind of warm-up should be done for the deadlifting? Pavel isn't specific in the book, but I just wondered if any one has views?

    I'd appreciate any views. I am a relative beginner, been training less than a year.

    Thanks in advance,

    D.
    I wouldn't do it this way. The reason that the intense deadlifts works so well in a Low Volume, High Frequency program is that it is very intensive on the CNS. This makes is terrible for higher volume programs. For example, Westsiders rarely deadlift at all - and when they do it is mostly speed stuff and done at the end of a (lower body) workout. I think you could keep it, but I would only do it on the day that you squat. The deadlift is about the most GED-level lift, you don't have to practice it that much.
    Faizal S. Enu, CFT/RKC/PBA
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    Quote Originally Posted by faizalenu View Post
    I wouldn't do it this way. The reason that the intense deadlifts works so well in a Low Volume, High Frequency program is that it is very intensive on the CNS. This makes is terrible for higher volume programs. For example, Westsiders rarely deadlift at all - and when they do it is mostly speed stuff and done at the end of a (lower body) workout. I think you could keep it, but I would only do it on the day that you squat. The deadlift is about the most GED-level lift, you don't have to practice it that much.
    Hi Faizal, kind of you to respond, and thank you. My routine at the moment does not include deadlifts on each of the three days, but only on Friday. I only wondered if adding the deadlifts to the first two days would be okay, but I think from the responses, including yours, it would not be a very clever idea on my part. Thanks so much for your response. Any other advice would be greatly welcomed.

    Dove

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