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    avilezj is offline Senior Member
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    Default DeLorme method or Bear?

    Hey guys,

    Haven't posted in a while, so I don't know if this has been asked. I was wondering which of the two led to better gains, assuming all other factors (sleep, diet, etc.) are taken care of.
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    I had amazing gains using Master RKC Dan John's Mass Made Simple.
    http://www.davedraper.com/fitness_pr...duct/MMSE.html
    It was the first program that managed to put weight on my skinny frame. Reading the training logs of others who have completed it, I'm not the only one.

    This is what the main man himself had to say about it:
    Mass Made Simple is a foolproof muscle building plan. The program design is brilliant. It features the safest, technically and loadwise, high rep squat progression I have ever seen. It makes a smart use of ladders and complexes. It delivers. Another two thumbs up for Dan John!
    ~Pavel Tsatsouline, author of Beyond Bodybuilding
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    I take it MMS is a barbell plan? It would be interesting to see a kettlebell equivalent.

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    Don't really want to go through the hustle of buying a new book, so I would really want to know whether the modified delorme is better than the bear or not
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    I cannot comment on the DeLorme method, but I have done the Bear and believe me it works! Stonger, denser muscle and even with the lower rep range the volume will give you a pump.

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    They both work. Which would work better for you is a question that we would need much more information to answer, and even then we wouldn't really be answering, just making an educated guess. None of us will really know until you pick one program and do it. Here's a few random thoughts:

    1. Do you have any temptation to modify either program? If so, that's the one NOT to do. Do the program as written, at least the first time through.
    2. Which one do you like better? Appeals more? Has a better setup, or will be easier for you to do consistently for whatever reason? Do that one.
    3. If you're not deadlifting at least double bodyweight, I wouldn't do the Bear.
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    The bear is great, and tough. I would also recommend at least double bw dl before that.

    If you want kettlebells, the answer is DeLorme, EDT or just complexes.

    Perform as written!

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    Both programs seem to have produced results in the past, so they are equally credible.

    On the other hand, you have no way of knowing which one's better for you until you try them both. If you haven't done a lot of mass-specific training in the past, either one should work well.
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    Thanks for the input, guys. I'll go with DeLorme's since I haven't achieved a double bw DL yet.
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    If you want MUSCLE MASS (hypertrophy) more than anything else on the planet, I think DeLorme is what you need. If you want muscle hypertrophy in conjunction with strength gains, than The Bear is the way.

    Just my opinion, after performing both of them (3 times the Modified DeLorme, 2 times Bear) during the last 5 years.

    PS: You need FOOD! And I think it's better to start training for eating more and more several weeks before starting a muscle hypertrophy program...

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