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    KallosThenos is offline Senior Member
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    Default Prison Push-up Misconception

    Hello,

    I recently saw the Prison Push-up being demonstrated in the new Convict Conditioning DVD and the technique is basically the same as This Guy's.

    The feet are together, but there is a significant bend at the hips thus the torso is not perfectly aligned.

    This line is quoted from the Convict Conditioning Super FAQ:

    "Doing your pushups the prison way forces you to keep your hand under your body, rather than splaying it out to the side. This prevents the larger pectorals from doing all the work, and forces the stress onto the triceps and front deltoids (much more “functional” muscles, for reasons I dis- cuss in the book)."

    Coach Wade specifically mentions to keep your hand under your body, while in the Convict Conditioning DVD, Max Shank does them with his hand outside his body. A true Prison Pushup should be similar to Close Push-ups but with one arm only.

    I have yet to see a true Prison Pushup, my high expectations for the first Prison Pushup being performed in the Convict Conditioning Pushup DVD was completely crushed. Why is contradictory material being produced?

    Keeping the hand under the body in a prison push-up makes a Huge difference. The difference in strength levels between the "Pseudo Prison Push-ups" performed in the DVD and true Prison Push-ups with no torso bending is colossal.

    I am interested what other people think about this.

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    In the end, I think this is "as good as it gets".

    I stopped trying to work up to one a long time ago. I just stuck to my trusty Pavel-ish OAPUs (but keeping the torso a bit straighter than Pavel), and started exploring other challenges such as Planching.

    Seems like I quit, but really, if it's something that Jim or Al or whatever model was chosen couldn't do right, then I have no business trying to work up to one. At least not until I reach my other goals.

    In all honesty, if that's what Du Cane roughly gave as the Prison PU, I take the word that Wade approved of it. Now we just have to wait to see what they give us as the OAHPU to see if I can do that one as well, or if I actually have more work to do.
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    Truth is I didn't expect there to be a "pure" prison pullup on the DVD. There's been various people who've tried to work at them for a good while but didn't manage. So what would the odds be that the models chosen for the book, who probably have never worked specifically towards that move before, would be able to?
    CC progress: Pushups 6, Squats 6+, Pullups 3+, Leg Raises 5

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    I'm going to carry on working for one. I'm many years off but have decided to work at CC for the long run as it meshes with my other ambitions. I still think it's bio-mechanically possible all be it really damn tough. (For the record I'm not hanging my hat on being the guy to show it's possible. I do think it's still worth aiming for).

    If one was to exercise serious patience and work through some of the earlier steps but doing them one handed rather than two I feel that one can gradually build up to a 'strict' press up that everyone is harping on about. It would take the kind of focus/patience that only being locked up in a cell would likely give. Another non prison cell idea I have had for when I get there is one arm incline pressups with partial 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, full range then decrease the angle and repeat, and repeat.

    Chiggers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post
    In all honesty, if that's what Du Cane roughly gave as the Prison PU, I take the word that Wade approved of it.
    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiggers View Post
    I'm going to carry on working for one. I'm many years off but have decided to work at CC for the long run as it meshes with my other ambitions. I still think it's bio-mechanically possible all be it really damn tough. (For the record I'm not hanging my hat on being the guy to show it's possible. I do think it's still worth aiming for).

    If one was to exercise serious patience and work through some of the earlier steps but doing them one handed rather than two I feel that one can gradually build up to a 'strict' press up that everyone is harping on about. It would take the kind of focus/patience that only being locked up in a cell would likely give. Another non prison cell idea I have had for when I get there is one arm incline pressups with partial 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, full range then decrease the angle and repeat, and repeat.

    Chiggers
    I agree with 305 pelusa and I also agree with this. Why not?

    In my life I've seen exactly two people perform a "negative" one-arm regulation (prison) press-up. (Both extremely strong; one was a wrestler, one an Oly lifter.)

    If a negative is possible on a movement, it follows that a positive is possible, given enough strength.

    But the men doing it will have to be very powerful.

    I applaud Wade for setting the bar so very high. He could've easily set much lower goals, but why?

    To pander for the weak, for the "internet warriors" who think they are world-class because they shakily pressed a 32k bell?

    No. Have high goals, shoot for them, and refuse to accept negativity, jealousy or defeat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Ross View Post

    In my life I've seen exactly two people perform a "negative" one-arm regulation (prison) press-up. (Both extremely strong; one was a wrestler, one an Oly lifter.)

    If a negative is possible on a movement, it follows that a positive is possible, given enough strength.
    Why? By that logic, if I can jump out of a two story window, I should be able to jump into a two story window, giving enough strength.
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    Perhaps Henry should have writen "controled negative"

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    It is also true that Max Shank built his strength with other modes of training than CC. He is very strong and athletic and I am sure an excellent candidate to demonstrate the movements, but I wouldn't necessarily expect an athlete to achieve his overall physical development with CC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    It is also true that Max Shank built his strength with other modes of training than CC. He is very strong and athletic and I am sure an excellent candidate to demonstrate the movements, but I wouldn't necessarily expect an athlete to achieve his overall physical development with CC.
    Also true of Jim Bathurst, the Kavadlo brothers, Christopher Sommers, et al, the various hand-balancers (including the one who did the oahspu), etc.
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