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    Question WTF happened to Jim Bathurst?!

    I was just mentioning Jim on another post, and a thought occurred to me. WTF happened to this guy?

    Those of you in the BW world might remember that, about five years ago, Jim was the number one guy. His site, Beastskills, was pretty much the only big go-to place for bodyweight strength training. He was huge; I visisted his site all the time. Virtually all bodyweight fans did.

    A lot of us back then thought that Jim would be the new bodyweight Pavel T...be seen on Muscle & Fitness, take Beastskills world wide and make a million dollars. There were rumors that he'd be doing a book and dvds. The guy was really getting pretty big. He then modelled for Convict Conditioning, and his profile absolutely exploded. Even guys who didn't like bodyweight knew his face, knew his name.

    I just thought that, on the back of all the hype, Jim would've taken it somewhere. I think he's still training, and he still posts from time to time, but it's about his own training, or boring technical blogs about minor stuff. All the blaze and originality has gone. I don't even know if he still does personal training?

    Does anyone know why this guy never broke through? Did he get injured or ill, or something? Or did he just lack the drive to really be somebody big and successful in fitness?

    I just respected his work once, and now it seems like he's slipped back; no profile, diminished interest, nothing. Nobody even seems to mention his site these days.

    I don't mean this as an attack. Just the opposite. We all thought that after CC this guy would take over the world and be on infomercials and stuff, piloting his own yacht by now (called the one-arm). It'd be sad if he just wasted all that great momentum and interest and settled for nickle and dime coaching of fatties...
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    I know what you mean. He had a great brand, seemed positioned to do big things, but just sort of...fizzled out. I guess some fitness pros fumble the ball?

    You could argue that the success of Convict Conditioning overshadowed Beastskills, but in this life you make your own road. Look at al Kavadlo; he was probably the big face of CC2, but that certainly didn't slow him up. He used the contacts, used the interest to go and publish his own book, which by all accounts is excellent. And now he's not the "Convict Conditioning" guy, he's the "Raising the Bar" guy who is also considered a go-to expert on CC.

    Like I say, you make your own road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict Conditioner View Post
    I was just mentioning Jim on another post, and a thought occurred to me. WTF happened to this guy?

    Those of you in the BW world might remember that, about five years ago, Jim was the number one guy. His site, Beastskills, was pretty much the only big go-to place for bodyweight strength training. He was huge; I visisted his site all the time. Virtually all bodyweight fans did.

    A lot of us back then thought that Jim would be the new bodyweight Pavel T...be seen on Muscle & Fitness, take Beastskills world wide and make a million dollars. There were rumors that he'd be doing a book and dvds. The guy was really getting pretty big. He then modelled for Convict Conditioning, and his profile absolutely exploded. Even guys who didn't like bodyweight knew his face, knew his name.

    I just thought that, on the back of all the hype, Jim would've taken it somewhere. I think he's still training, and he still posts from time to time, but it's about his own training, or boring technical blogs about minor stuff. All the blaze and originality has gone. I don't even know if he still does personal training?

    Does anyone know why this guy never broke through? Did he get injured or ill, or something? Or did he just lack the drive to really be somebody big and successful in fitness?

    I just respected his work once, and now it seems like he's slipped back; no profile, diminished interest, nothing. Nobody even seems to mention his site these days.

    I don't mean this as an attack. Just the opposite. We all thought that after CC this guy would take over the world and be on infomercials and stuff, piloting his own yacht by now (called the one-arm). It'd be sad if he just wasted all that great momentum and interest and settled for nickle and dime coaching of fatties...
    I haven't been around for five years or anything. I've only been interested in the BW calisthenics scene for about a year now, but part of what got me going on it was the beastskills site.

    With that said, I know that a number of things rubbed me wrong about the site. For one, Mr. Bathurst himself was never truly a BW calisthenics guy. He lifts a lot of weights and does bw stuff sort of on the side (although he does seem to be somewhat seriously into hand-balancing skills). For example, he's pretty open with the fact that he's training for the OAHSPU (if he's still training for it at all) by doing military presses--hardly the most practical way to go about achieving the feat (but, then again, what do I know, Jim seems to be on the shortlist of those who could accomplish it sometime soon). Also, he hardly updates his tutorials anymore, and some of his tutorials I didn't find all that helpful. His tutorial on the human flag was almost the complete opposite of how I've begun getting mine (I actually find that pulling down on the top hand really hard helps me get my legs up, whereas Jim says press down really hard on the bottom hand and that the top hand doesn't really do much).

    Furthermore, because he's not a "pure" BW calisthenics guy, he's not really selling anything out of the ordinary. "Lift a lot of weights and do some of this BW stuff while you're at it," is hardly the kind of novel advice that's going to get someone doing infomercials and buying yachts. Fact is Paul Wade, Al Kavadlo, Coach Sommer, Steven Low, Mark Lauren, the Barstarzz, Calisthenics Kings, et. al. have taken BW training to a whole new level and Jim missed the boat on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorchupacabra View Post
    For one, Mr. Bathurst himself was never truly a BW calisthenics guy. He lifts a lot of weights and does bw stuff sort of on the side (although he does seem to be somewhat seriously into hand-balancing skills). For example, he's pretty open with the fact that he's training for the OAHSPU (if he's still training for it at all) by doing military presses--hardly the most practical way to go about achieving the feat (but, then again, what do I know, Jim seems to be on the shortlist of those who could accomplish it sometime soon).
    Actually, Jim is much more about Cals, with a sprinkle of weights added, especially for the lower body (where Cals lag behind quite a bit).

    Jim is NOT training for the One-arm Handstand with military presses. In fact, he has explained a few times that it is his military press that increases from his handbalancing work. His bloq on the Circus school of hand-balancing seemed to give him a plethora of new exercises/techniques to test.

    Quote Originally Posted by senorchupacabra View Post
    Also, he hardly updates his tutorials anymore, and some of his tutorials I didn't find all that helpful. His tutorial on the human flag was almost the complete opposite of how I've begun getting mine (I actually find that pulling down on the top hand really hard helps me get my legs up, whereas Jim says press down really hard on the bottom hand and that the top hand doesn't really do much).
    It's very unfortunate that he doesn't update them. A true shame.

    However, he has explained before that if you want to learn the "newer" things, you should assist to one of his seminars. I can understand he'd be busy with his work and all that.

    And BTW, as far as the Flag tutorial goes... Pressing with the lower arm instead of pulling with the top one allows one to reach a "good flag" (a gymnastics one... where both arms are straight). In fact, Coach Sommers teaches it the exact same way. I'm pretty grateful that he's at least giving the correct, perfect-form info, even if it's regurgitated from Gymnasticbodies.

    Quote Originally Posted by senorchupacabra View Post
    Furthermore, because he's not a "pure" BW calisthenics guy, he's not really selling anything out of the ordinary. "Lift a lot of weights and do some of this BW stuff while you're at it," is hardly the kind of novel advice that's going to get someone doing infomercials and buying yachts. Fact is Paul Wade, Al Kavadlo, Coach Sommer, Steven Low, Mark Lauren, the Barstarzz, Calisthenics Kings, et. al. have taken BW training to a whole new level and Jim missed the boat on it.
    Perhaps it isn't novel... is that really a problem? His planche is looking solid (and much better than the banana-ish ones from Barstarzz) and he has been spending most of his time lately with the One-arm HS. I can tell you neither one of those things can be done without spending some SERIOUS time working on them. Not just weights with a bit of Cals. Those skills take time. I've worked on Planches for more than 8 months, and I've now only gotten to the point of an Adv. Tuck. If Jim's weights actually speed up the process, I think that'd be a relatively novel thing to read about.

    Answering the OP: He DOES want to write his own book, where he'll show how to combine weights with Cals, his way... But apparently he hasn't had much time.

    I feel like he is still working very hard on his One-arm HSs. And the guy's really chill. Everytime I have a question, he has no problem answering it. I PERSONALLY still think he's going to "get there". He's very young still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post
    Actually, Jim is much more about Cals, with a sprinkle of weights added, especially for the lower body (where Cals lag behind quite a bit).
    Maybe, maybe not, but he certainly spends a fair amount of time with weights. This isn't necessarily a criticism, just something I pointed out. Al Kavadlo also uses weights for his lower body, but I still think there's a significant difference between how Al uses weights to supplement his BW training and how Jim does.

    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post
    Jim is NOT training for the One-arm Handstand with military presses. In fact, he has explained a few times that it is his military press that increases from his handbalancing work. His bloq on the Circus school of hand-balancing seemed to give him a plethora of new exercises/techniques to test.
    If you go to the fourth page of comments for this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWLVm5v0NkU) you'll see where he says how he's been training for the OAHSPU (hint--it's military presses).

    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post
    It's very unfortunate that he doesn't update them. A true shame.

    However, he has explained before that if you want to learn the "newer" things, you should assist to one of his seminars. I can understand he'd be busy with his work and all that.

    And BTW, as far as the Flag tutorial goes... Pressing with the lower arm instead of pulling with the top one allows one to reach a "good flag" (a gymnastics one... where both arms are straight). In fact, Coach Sommers teaches it the exact same way. I'm pretty grateful that he's at least giving the correct, perfect-form info, even if it's regurgitated from Gymnasticbodies.
    I don't really have the time or money to travel to attend one of his seminars. If I happen to see that he's stopping in either Colorado or New Mexico, I'd definitely consider it.

    As for the human flag, maybe I'll see what he's saying as I get better at it. I would say that my arms are about as straight as they can be (they're probably the only things that are straight on my human flag, at the moment...)

    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post
    Perhaps it isn't novel... is that really a problem?
    It's not a problem for me or you. It's a problem when trying to convince someone to give you money to make an infomercial or to get on tv or to write a book.

    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post
    His planche is looking solid (and much better than the banana-ish ones from Barstarzz) and he has been spending most of his time lately with the One-arm HS. I can tell you neither one of those things can be done without spending some SERIOUS time working on them. Not just weights with a bit of Cals. Those skills take time. I've worked on Planches for more than 8 months, and I've now only gotten to the point of an Adv. Tuck. If Jim's weights actually speed up the process, I think that'd be a relatively novel thing to read about.
    None of my criticisms were of Jim's skills. The man is one of the more impressive BW athletes out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post
    I feel like he is still working very hard on his One-arm HSs. And the guy's really chill. Everytime I have a question, he has no problem answering it. I PERSONALLY still think he's going to "get there". He's very young still.
    He does seem like a nice guy. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings (or even his) with my statements. They were just my best guesses as to why he hasn't yet "made it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorchupacabra View Post
    If you go to the fourth page of comments for this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWLVm5v0NkU) you'll see where he says how he's been training for the OAHSPU (hint--it's military presses).
    Dude, this was a years ago. Like I said, right now, he is NOT using MPs to enhance his OAHS. Since he went to the Circus Balancing school a few months back, he has concentrated on using the techniques/skills that they taught him. I've asked him several times about his training for the past few months. He's not using weights with the One-arm HS. I don't know if he still MPs (haven't asked him), but most of his skill time right now is solely on the free OAHS, judging by his "reports" on FB and so on. As far as I know, he's been using Cals mostly for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by senorchupacabra View Post
    I don't really have the time or money to travel to attend one of his seminars. If I happen to see that he's stopping in either Colorado or New Mexico, I'd definitely consider it.
    Oh jajaja, please. Me neither.
    Quote Originally Posted by senorchupacabra View Post
    It's not a problem for me or you. It's a problem when trying to convince someone to give you money to make an infomercial or to get on tv or to write a book.
    Which is why I see him as more of a Ross Enamait kind of guy. A person who knows his "trade", knows how to use different kinds of equipments (not just limiting himself to one), and might get a few books out when he gets older.

    Quote Originally Posted by senorchupacabra View Post
    None of my criticisms were of Jim's skills. The man is one of the more impressive BW athletes out there.
    He does seem like a nice guy. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings (or even his) with my statements. They were just my best guesses as to why he hasn't yet "made it."
    I know I know. My point with explaining his skills was to show that he DOES do a lot of work with Calisthenics. To reach a Planche, or a One-arm Handstand, there's just no other way. That's why I pointed out that he could do them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict Conditioner View Post
    It'd be sad if he just wasted all that great momentum and interest and settled for nickle and dime coaching of fatties...
    Not as sad as the notion that everyone has to have the same aspirations in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    Not as sad as the notion that everyone has to have the same aspirations in life.
    honestly i dont disrespect anybody who has the chance to make it big and blows it. But if you ask anyone "if given the choice, would you want to make a big success out of your career, bigger wealth, more fame and so on?" and somebody says no, then you are talking either to a liar or a loser!!

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    Well, I can say honestly that I have no intention of ever "trying to convince someone to give [me] money to make an infomercial", so I guess that makes me a loser. At least in your opinion. But I'm okay with that, because I happen to believe integrity is more important and more valuable than fame and wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel View Post
    Well, I can say honestly that I have no intention of ever "trying to convince someone to give [me] money to make an infomercial", so I guess that makes me a loser. At least in your opinion. But I'm okay with that, because I happen to believe integrity is more important and more valuable than fame and wealth.
    Absolutely. There are firms in my line of work that are absolutely enormous and churn clients non stop. They are more about pitching and retaining clients through bs than actually providing the service they are paid handsomely for. They use the relative ignorance of the client on the subject matter to their advantage. This is not something I ever want to be a part of. If we are judged by someone against some of our direct competitors and our lack of aspiration to equal them in size and revenue then I am very happy to be considered a loser by that person.

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