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    Default PTTP Questions - Russian 5, 3, 2 version and 2 week cycles

    Two quick questions on PTTP:

    1) Pavel himself has said that he would use the Russian 5, 3, 2 variation of PTTP where you keep the weight the same for all 3 sets. My question is for those who know, does this apply to the presses as well?

    2) How well do 2 week cycles work? Have people had much success with them? I really fancy doing 2 week cycles of PTTP and 2 week cycles of other work, say ETK or PTTP Pull-ups with VWC (as Kenneth himself suggests as an option in VWC).

    Thanks in advance!

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    With pttp (from my understanding) is that a pttp cycle is a minimum of 8 practice sessions. A cycle is considered complete when progress has stopped for at least 2 sessions where you milked it for all its worth. So if your still making progress at the 8th or 9th session (which would have you entering into week 3) and if you still have a full head of steam - it would make better sense to keep that cycle pttp going beyond 2 weeks. Not all pttp cycles will have the same duration, as the weight gets heavier, or when you have to switch btwn different types of pttp cycles - such as btwn linear cycles to step cycles in order to keep moving forward. Two week cycles of pttp is 10 sessions. I think cycling programs for 6 or more weeks works okay. I like the 12 week cycle btwn pttp and ETK. Works well for me. Why would want two week cycles btwn pttp and etk? Just curious because I am only a student here and would appreciate any knowledge I can get my hands on...Dennis

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    It is a minimum of 8 practice sessions indeed, although 2 weeks would allow up to 10 sessions (5 sessions per week mon-fri).

    Two week cycles are encouraged by Pavel as a good way of cycling different programs, but still carrying over the gains from previous cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NonStop View Post
    Two week cycles are encouraged by Pavel as a good way of cycling different programs, but still carrying over the gains from previous cycle.
    Correct. The two week cycles or block training is explained in ROTK.

    I use block training with PTTP and VWC for a while and it works well. It is pretty cool to come back to VWC after two weeks off and not only be able to do as many sets as before, but in my experience add sets if I wanted.

    For your press you can do whatever you like - 5,3,2 or the method as spelled out in the book. One benefit of the 5,3,2 is that it saves you having to change plates. You could even use the 3 day ROP pressing schedule using kettlebells along with the 5 day PTTP DL if you like as those work together well also.

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    I've done the two week cycles, works great. I prefer 5,3,2 for a variety of reasons, but its not a big deal, go with whichever you like better. I would use it for pressing as well, but again, not set in stone. Forum member bwwm is also doing an interesting 2 week cycle variation right now.

    Dennis, Pavel has written in numerous places about the benefits of 2 week cycles of Pttp with kettlebells, including the original RKC book.
    Jason Ginsberg, RKC2, LAc
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    Thanks for the info people.

    I will definitely give 5, 3, 2 a shot for both deads and presses, and two week cycles sound great then! I will be giving it a go!

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    It goes to show that I am still learning and loving it. Nice to know that there is another option to cycling the pttp with other programs that will work. Thanks for the info!..Dennis

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