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    No he wouldn't increase his numbers with a hardstyle hip hinge. It would impede him.

    GS and Hardstyle are two completely different ways of lifting a kettlebell (here we go again).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikeman1444 View Post
    Ah I understand. Do you think he could improve his numbers with the hardstyle hip hinge?
    If you watch the video, there really is no room in his 10 minute set for any more snatches. He keeps the downstroke short to minimize the time required to complete each rep. A hardstyle hinge would lengthen the stroke, and increase the amount of time for each rep. Generally speaking, if someone is strong enough for the kettlebell he is using, he can get more reps with good GS technique than with good hardstyle technique. This is because GS technique is intended to increase efficiency (more reps), whereas HS technique is intended to increase metabolic impact (cardio, fat burning, body comp, etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshirecomrade View Post
    GS and Hardstyle are two completely different ways of lifting a kettlebell (here we go again).
    It's a good question, and there's no problem in explaining it. We should specify that although they are different ways of lifting, they are not opposite ways of lifting. They are not incompatible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smathews View Post
    If you watch the video, there really is no room in his 10 minute set for any more snatches. He keeps the downstroke short to minimize the time required to complete each rep.
    Good points. This reminds me of when I first started doing GS, I learned something very interesting for the Russians. They don't have the same problem 10min sets as do we from the West.

    In the west the problem for GS lifters is "How do I make it through the whole 10min." While in Russia their problems is "How do I fit in all the reps I can do in the short 10min I have."
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    Thank you for the answers! I do enjoy watching the elite GS competitors.

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    He is a beast. Amazing in both technique and strenght. You have to admire the top GS guys for what they do, even if you dont want to be them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boka View Post
    Good points. This reminds me of when I first started doing GS, I learned something very interesting for the Russians. They don't have the same problem 10min sets as do we from the West.

    In the west the problem for GS lifters is "How do I make it through the whole 10min." While in Russia their problems is "How do I fit in all the reps I can do in the short 10min I have."
    I wish that were my problem. Maybe I'll get there eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smathews View Post
    If you watch the video, there really is no room in his 10 minute set for any more snatches. He keeps the downstroke short to minimize the time required to complete each rep. A hardstyle hinge would lengthen the stroke, and increase the amount of time for each rep. Generally speaking, if someone is strong enough for the kettlebell he is using, he can get more reps with good GS technique than with good hardstyle technique. This is because GS technique is intended to increase efficiency (more reps), whereas HS technique is intended to increase metabolic impact (cardio, fat burning, body comp, etc.).
    It is all about the number of reps, not about maximizing explosiveness or burning through O2. In fitness style snatches, the idea is to train explosive ability and to train at a high O2 burn, not to move the weight per se. There is no reason in competition to make any rep 1 iota harder than required to move the bell from knees to overhead. There are no 32.5kg bells with which you can beat your opponent by snatching harder.

    Quote Originally Posted by boka View Post
    Good points. This reminds me of when I first started doing GS, I learned something very interesting for the Russians. They don't have the same problem 10min sets as do we from the West.

    In the west the problem for GS lifters is "How do I make it through the whole 10min." While in Russia their problems is "How do I fit in all the reps I can do in the short 10min I have."
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    Well, I was quite surprised to see Valery's fanboys tearing this thread apart on his Facebook page. Apparently, GS folks like to keep fueling the HS/GS fire just as much as anybody else, despite the fact that everyone here has shown nothing but respect and admiration for the accomplishments of GS athletes?!?

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    that's ridiculous. I wonder what exactly they're tearing apart. How respectful we are? That's one reason I kicked my facebook out the door.

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