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    Rob Drewry is offline Banned
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    Just to be clear, I was kidding about NASCAR. First, I don't consider anything to be a sport where a you sit behind the wheel of a car and let the car do the work. I know you have to be somewhat fit to hold up under g-forces for extended lengths of time, but it is just my view. Wanna be a athlete? Get out of the car and run around the track.

    NASCAR has its own issues with cheating (check out Chad Knauss, crew chief of 5 time champion Jimmy Johnson). It does seem the athletic world has adopted the old stock car racing axiom, "You ain't trying if you ain't cheatin'".

    The only way we can hope for PEDs and cheating to stop is to take the money out of sports, especially the exorbitant salaries and sponsor dollars. Read or heard during this Olympics the USOC rewards medal winners with $100,000+ for a gold medal. As long as the competitors are looking to the sport as a way to make a living (and possibly a very rich lifestyle) they'll do all they can to make it.

    Sadly, also heard that 70%+ of all NFL players end up bankrupt or in serious financial trouble within a few years of leaving the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ad5ly View Post
    In re-hab there is definetly a place for steroids and supplements to help those through the recovery. But cheating in the Olympics and in Professional/amateur Sports has been going on for so long for so long that I think it is here to stay for good. What we consider to be cheating today is becoming acceptable and tolerated - and even normal. The danger to think about is that there are those allways looking for that added edge over the competition, and with advances in medicine even more powerful and dangerous drugs may developed that will give cheaters an even greater edge with no concern other than winning.
    I don't think steroid use is "cheating". You still have to be more talented than others and work harder than others and play the game better than others in order to win. Unless you're already better than the people you compete against, you won't win due to steroid use. The analogy of a guy hitting a deer with his car and bragging about his shooting skill is flawed. You still have to be the best to win, steroids or no steroids.

    I read somewhere that most steroid users are recreational lifters/bodybuilders. I don't know how reliable this information is, but I personally know a few steroid users who have no interest in competing. They do it to feed their egos and often start using steroids before realizing half of their natural potential. Some of them struggle to lift intermediate-level weights.

    Terry Todd (former powerlifter and strength historian) has estimated the gain in strength from anabolic drugs to be around 10-15%. A fast responder might see 20% or something. It's not like you shoot up some anabolics, lay on the bench press and lift 500 lbs. If steroids were legalized, it would clear a lot of the superstitious misconceptions about them and enable athlete supervision by qualified medical professionals. Drug testing (and subsequent crucifixion) of athletes is merely annoying and does not deter anyone from using steroids.
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    Unfortunately I don't think it would ever be approved, but I think a cool study would be a randomized double blind trial of steroids versus placebo. Maybe it has been done. Anyway, I bet the placebo group would show a measurable improvement over a control group purely from increased effort THINKING they were getting steroids.

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    They respect their bodies, and their sports: in the specific way that is demanded in modern athletics.

    You cannot live the life of hunter-gatherers or ancient warriors, no matter how dedicated you would be.

    You cannot play sports and the highest level the way it was done in the 1900's.

    The problem of steroids is extremely real: the strongest people on the planet today might not be the genetically most gifted ones, but those who respond better to doping.

    I wonder if the gene doping won't change all this, anyway. It would be possible to alter completely the "recipe" of a living (human) being?!

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    I strongly believe that these "the most fit, healthy people on earth" would not survive much in the world of brute hunter-gatherers is they would be dropped in such a community - they are like Amstaffs or Pitbulls: in a civilized world, according to man-made rules and stuffed with chemical performance enhancers, they will tear apart any wild competitor (wolf, fox, etc), but let alone in the Alaska wilderness or the African savannah they will most likely die of a slow death, even if they would have the information on how and what to hunt, avoid, etc, simply because their bodies are not built to face natural challenges.

    Look at the best fighters in the special troops anywhere in the world: their physiques does not resemble a body builder, an Ol lifter, a strongman or a grappler...

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