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    lokate is offline Senior Member
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    Default How do ou guys fit it all in?

    I am just wondering if there are martial artist on this forum with the same problem as me.
    I like to train with kettlebells, but I like to train with barbell/dumbell to and I like bodyweight.
    I train 3 times a week my martial arts, I just want to keep in very good shape. I don train for competition orso, just for reality. I train martial arts for a very long tim but now I am getting older and want to do something about my strength. endurance and off course I want to look a bit athletic to. Not a bodybuilder.
    Whe I follow a kettlebell routine I miss the heavy weights, when I do heavy weights I miss the bodyweight and the kettlebells.
    I dont have hours a day to train because my martial arts training is about 1,5 hour to and I have a full time job etc.
    And then you even have to run to, man! I dont know how I can do it all.
    Any suggestions or examples off good solid routines?

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    Look into Escalated Density Training -EDT. EDT can be configured in many different ways and for different goals - weight loss, strength, muscle gain, increased work capacity. Kettlebells, Barbells, and Body weight training can all be used with EDT - you can get the best of many worlds with EDT. Also EDT takes little time. EDT with mobility drills for hips back and shoulders and some Indian Club thrown in work has worked well beyond my expectations over the last several months..Dennis

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    Mike Mahler has many nice kettlebell, barbell and bodyweight routines in "aggressive strength solutions for size and strength" that you can cycle . Don't know if I am allowed to give you this advise because he is no longer RKC. But I really like his stuff. He has a few EDT routines also in that book. When I finish the ROP I will try his routines for sure.

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    Default Thank you guys

    Do you maybay have examples of such a EDT routine could look like? Espaccialy the combination with ketttlebells, barbell and bodyweight?
    That would be great! and how often do you have to do such a routine?
    And is it for building pure strength or a combination of strength endurance etc.

    Seems like a good solution but I like to read more from it. Any suggestions on tings on INternet that I can read or that give iformation about routines, maybay specially fro martial artist?

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    Default Check Out Brooks Kubik.

    Have you tried brooks Kubik book Chalk and Sweat that books has quite a few workouts combining everything (expect KB but you can sub DB for KB) you mentioned into very tough very productive routines. Also the RKC book of strength and conditioning has some in it I think but not very sure on that book.
    http://www.brookskubik.com/chalk_and_sweat.html

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    I have the same problem. I work full time right now and I am in the MA school about 20 hours a week. I have to fit in my workouts too. So what I had to do was prioritize. Right now it is weight loss and conditioning. So running, jump rope, swings, and snatches. Once I reach my goal weight I will do strength work and conditioning work.

    What I have found to be useful and effective. 1. Keep it short but intense. 2. Pick a couple things that give high returns.

    So you could cycle strength routines like CC and PttP. Then use KBs for conditioning 2-3 times a week and running 2-3 times a week.

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    I like to cycle programs. I, too train in a couple of different arts, and I like barbell, body weight and kettlebell routines. I focus my routines on increasing strength and improving conditioning. If the routine leaves unable to do MA then I put it aside. If I'm too sore to get on the mat, what's the point right?

    I will pick two or three things I want to work on and then pick program that helps me adress those goals. Then when I reach my goals or want to work on other goals, I adjust.

    I was doing easy strength for strength and worked in some high rep kb swings for conditioning. I've recently switched to Wendler's 5-3-1 with high rep swings for conditioning. I might switch back to ETK or something else when this gets stale. The goal is to work out in the AM and keep total time in the gym to under an hour...no more than 4-5 days a week. Then do MA classes in the evenings 2-3 days a week. I need to be lifting in such a way as to minimize DOMS and keep me feeling refreshed when I leave the gym...not totally fragged.
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    Default Thanks

    I now I lile the ROP very much because off the presses and the pull-ups.
    But as I said, than I miss the deadlift or the dips or the bodyweight.

    I want to comibine it all into one or two routines. I have done to much routines wereby I need the next day for rest because I didnt had the enenergy to train again.
    So a short basic routine, that would be great.

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    I had a lot of success cycling two week blocks of the ROP with PTTP. That would let you dosome deadlift and press training along with the ROP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lokate View Post
    Do you maybay have examples of such a EDT routine could look like? Espaccialy the combination with ketttlebells, barbell and bodyweight?
    That would be great! and how often do you have to do such a routine?
    And is it for building pure strength or a combination of strength endurance etc.

    Seems like a good solution but I like to read more from it. Any suggestions on tings on INternet that I can read or that give iformation about routines, maybay specially fro martial artist?
    "

    Hmmh also the programs in the book I mentioned mainly focus on one tool for each program. But there is the same program for every tool. So you have an EDT protocol for barbells, Kettlebells and bodyweight or a westside barbell inspired program for each tool, a 3*3 prog for each tool, 5*5 prog for each tool, GVT (German Volume Training) protocol for each tool...and so on. Also I don't think it is a problem to combine the tools in one workout. Just look for your goals and which muscle or movement you want to train and look for the alternatives for each tool. So a deadlift alternative can be the KB swing for example. There are many ideas and whole chapter about this too in that book. For EDT just google it. You will find out how to set up a EDT protocol and how it looks like. It sets a time frame for your workout, so it is easy to combine and plan for in a daily activity.

    I would recommend to take a look at the work of Joel Jamieson also if you train for combat sport. He has some very good ideas for your roadwork and give you ideas how to set up more individual and scientific workouts with a heart rate monitor than just using HIIT based training (like Tabata and stuff which are not personalized). He once spoke shit(he has obv no clue about Pavels stuff) about Pavels work on Sherdog but beside that I would really recommend his stuff. Here is his website http://www.8weeksout.com/
    Last edited by Dimmak; 09-23-2012 at 01:06 PM.

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