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    JasonL.Ac. is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by faizalenu View Post
    ...it just doesn't seem logical. I have asked the RKC Forum group and the responses have been:
    * They told us to (translation: I don't think for myself)
    * You are over thinking it (translation: I don't know)

    I don't mind doing it if there is a good reason. To me is seems silly at best and compromises safety at worse....
    As I said on facebook, I agree with you Faizal. Makes no sense to me. I've done getups with bells as heavy as 40kg, so if they want to test me with the floor press, than I'll do it for the test. But until I hear a much better rationale than what's been given so far, I'm not changing how I teach them.

    Every so often someone gets enchanted with doing the get up from the top down (which has been attributed variously to Shaun Cairns, Steve Maxwell, Steve Cotter, and no doubt a few other people who's names begin with "S"). They go on and on about how it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't really get what's so special about it myself, but I have a simple reply.

    The get up is the first lift I teach usually. In order to start with the bell overhead, I would have to teach them a way to get it there first, either pressing, jerking, push pressing, or snatching. All of those except the snatch I need to teach the clean first, which I won't do until they have a decent one arm swing, which will be preceded by a two arm swing. Starting from the floor, they don't need anything. I see no reason to start teaching floor pressing before I teach get ups, especially since it works well as is. I'll stick to what's in KBFTGU, including the bridge when appropriate.
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    Danny Evans is offline Senior Member
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    This is the thing...the floor press was recomended in Pavel's PTTP (pg.105) as an alternative for the bench press. Granted that was a different context, but a floor press is a floor press. Until the KS TGU came along, doing the F.P. (with one hand) was the normal way of getting the bell pressed out. All of a sudden it became 'unsafe' to do so....I never understood this; HOW is it unsafe??
    If you're fatigued to the point where that arm needs assistance to press the bell, I'd say it's time to stop for the day.

    I'm not an athlete by any stretch, but I have pressed the bell out, and taught it that way for years, without any issues.

    It's part of the lift...if you can't press the weight, you shouldn't be doing a TGU with it.
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    At my rkc in 2009 we learned to get the bell to arms' length with two hands. It was called the "firing range position". Both legs extended, both hands gripping the bell as if shooting a pistol. It stayed that way until April of this year when it was suddenly different.

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    Rich in Nor Cal is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonL.Ac. View Post
    There will be many RKCs who agree with everything you said above, but respectfully, I'm not one of them. I disagree with almost every single thing said above.
    You are probably right, as I said I am just guessing, working backwards from the rule change and trying to infer a logical reason for it, and it goes without saying you know far more than I about the RKC. Maybe someone who knows the actual reason will chime in and enlighten us all. Wish the Big Split hadn't happened, if you know what I mean.

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    md corral is offline Senior Member
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    Been an RKC since 2010 and recerted in 2012.... Would be nice to hear an "official" message about whether the standards have changed. Have not seen anything "official" that has indicated there was a change for testing.

    My own opinion is that floor press with one hand should not be necessary. Big TGU is good. Just because you can't floor press it, does not mean you should not try it.

    My shoulder hurts just thinking about floor pressing something heavier than 32kg. And my shoulder feels good just thinking about TGU'ing 32kg+.

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    This would be one of those things... you nod and say okay fine, do what you need to do for the cert, and then teach what you think is best for you and your clientele.
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