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    faizalenu is offline Senior Member
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    Default Anyone know why they now include the floor press in the TGU for RKC tested....

    ...it just doesn't seem logical. I have asked the RKC Forum group and the responses have been:
    * They told us to (translation: I don't think for myself)
    * You are over thinking it (translation: I don't know)

    I don't mind doing it if there is a good reason. To me is seems silly at best and compromises safety at worse....
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    Do you mean it is now RKC teachings to floor press the bell before a getup, instead of using both hands to bring it to the locked position? Not sure if I understand what has been changed.

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    I often use a bell for TGUs that I am not able to press - to follow this strictly I would have to stick to lighter weights. Surely this isn't the intention? Confusing.

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    Doing a floor press was always part of the original TGU, and I thought 'assisting' with the free hand was only used if you needed it? IMO, you should be able to floor press the weight that you are going to use for the complete lift; that just seems odd that you could NOT press it, but complete the rest of the lift...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Evans View Post
    Doing a floor press was always part of the original TGU, and I thought 'assisting' with the free hand was only used if you needed it? IMO, you should be able to floor press the weight that you are going to use for the complete lift; that just seems odd that you could NOT press it, but complete the rest of the lift...
    That is my take on it also. The other hand is there for safety so if you do lose it in the press, you can catch it or push it away from your face.
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    I have allways used the 2 hand press up and lowering of the bell in the TGU because I was instructed that it is the safe way to do it. Even with a 12kg bell I use 2 hands everytime if for only to reinforce the practice of safety because for myself safety is not an option. Getting the bell verticle with 2 hands is the SETUP for the TGU. The TGU really begins after the setup. A floor press is a drill all on its own. People are different and if you have trained to do floor presses into a TGU and do it competently then thats what works for you. Since starting kettlebells I have never done this FLPr to TGU and changing horses now would compromise the safety I have built into the move...Dennis

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    I hardly feel qualified to comment on things RKC, although I do about as much kb stuff as my hands can handle without tearing all the skin off. I will speculate, however, that they must be thinking that one should be able to floor press as much as one uses for the TGU, and that if one can Get Up more than one can floor press, one should work on bringing one's floor press up to their TGU level, at least for the RKC test.

    It does make sense to be able to floor press as much as one can Get Up, from a body balance perspective, and the horizontal pressing motion is the one movement hardest to develop with kbs. Sure, we can do pushups, dips, even bench presses, to supplement kb work, but from a strictly kb skills perspective, which may be the RKC's perspective, it seems most consistent to practice a kb horizontal press.

    But I acknowledge I am just guessing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Leg View Post
    I often use a bell for TGUs that I am not able to press - to follow this strictly I would have to stick to lighter weights. Surely this isn't the intention? Confusing.
    I think it only applies to the RKC TGU test. In your own practice you can TGU as much as you want regardless of how much you can floor press. At least that's what I took away from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faizalenu View Post
    ...it just doesn't seem logical. I have asked the RKC Forum responses have been
    * They told us to (translation: I don't think for myself)
    * You are over thinking it (translation: I don't know)
    sorry to hear things have not changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich in Nor Cal View Post
    I hardly feel qualified to comment on things RKC, although I do about as much kb stuff as my hands can handle without tearing all the skin off. I will speculate, however, that they must be thinking that one should be able to floor press as much as one uses for the TGU, and that if one can Get Up more than one can floor press, one should work on bringing one's floor press up to their TGU level, at least for the RKC test.

    It does make sense to be able to floor press as much as one can Get Up, from a body balance perspective, and the horizontal pressing motion is the one movement hardest to develop with kbs. Sure, we can do pushups, dips, even bench presses, to supplement kb work, but from a strictly kb skills perspective, which may be the RKC's perspective, it seems most consistent to practice a kb horizontal press.

    But I acknowledge I am just guessing here.
    There will be many RKCs who agree with everything you said above, but respectfully, I'm not one of them. I disagree with almost every single thing said above.
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