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    Bradley is offline Senior Member
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    Just got back from a physiatrist.

    I've been having knee trouble for years and I've been over it here before.

    But I just had a doctor(physiatrist) tell me never to squat below parallel ever again. And to just do light stuff for 6 weeks - bicycle, walking, etc. Nothing load bearing to see if things get better. I've taken that much time off before, only because of discouragement to no significant effect though.

    Should I seek help elsewhere or listen to him.

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    Hmm, hard to say. Would you call this doctor fit? Someone who understands working out? For me, that always raises their credibility, even when it was a dentist who was taking out my wisdom teeth, I felt better knowing that he lifts and does triathlons (looked it, too).

    Also, what is he basing this advice off of? Did he just feel around and physically exam you, or did he take x-rays, MRI, those kinds of things? If he knows you've got a certain type of damage in there, don't work out. If not, well, I'd probably be inclined to at least talk to some other people.

    Good luck. This kind of stuff sucks.

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    BillLumbergRKC is offline Senior Member
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    good points ^. ideally you'd find a doctor who is currently a powerlifter or olympic lifter. next best would be an ex PLer or OLer. then an ex college fb player or track athlete. take home message--a doctor that has minimal or ZERO experience squatting below parallel has a questionable basis from which to advise against it. make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillLumbergRKC View Post
    good points ^. ideally you'd find a doctor who is currently a powerlifter or olympic lifter. next best would be an ex PLer or OLer. then an ex college fb player or track athlete. take home message--a doctor that has minimal or ZERO experience squatting below parallel has a questionable basis from which to advise against it. make sense?
    Does someone keep a list of these people? Nice advice, but I've never met one of these people.

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    good question. There should be, but if not, some phone calls and cyber stalking should help. After some work, I managed to find a spine specialist who's into crossfit--led to a different diagnosis, not to mention a different rehab approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillLumbergRKC View Post
    good question. There should be, but if not, some phone calls and cyber stalking should help. After some work, I managed to find a spine specialist who's into crossfit--led to a different diagnosis, not to mention a different rehab approach.
    I don't know where to begin. I don't even know what type of doctor I need to see. Or maybe that doesn't matter so much as finding any doctor with some athletic prowess.

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    depends on your insurance. If it's covered, I'd recommend something like Steadman Hawkins. http://www.shcdenver.com/ It appears they have clinics in other areas along with Denver and Vail. I'd imagine you can find an orthopedic clinic that deals with athletes in your area... usually you can find doctor bios on websites and such. If that's insufficient, resort to the old fashioned call and ask method. The real issue here--lots of people (doctors, trainers, average joe at the gym) have jumped on the "deep squats are bad for your knees" bandwagon so early on that they have not kept an open mind to the possibility that there are more variables involved than just depth, let alone have they ever done deep squats properly. To paraphrase Dan John--Squats aren't bad for your knees. Whatever is it you're doing there is bad for your knees."
    I'm not saying your current doc's recommendations are wrong. Deep squatting very well may be a thing of the past for you. However, it's hard to know with much confidence until you get the opinion of someone who has the academic knowledge AND in the trenches experience. Good luck man. This stuff sucks.

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    Speaking of such Dr.s. My Dr. is a marathoner, He used to complain about my lack of cardio till I started doing my mountain cardio. My orthopeadic surgeon has had rotator cuff surgery and does cardio on the same mountain I do. My dentist is an exgymnast.
    My Dr. was a lucky accident. The others were recomendations from friends I work out with.
    I think that's the best way to find your Dr.

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    Did he tell you what was wrong with your knees or that you just shouldn't squat?
    I knew there are a few conditions that actually stop you from squatting safely, but generally, proper squat for is good for your knees, you strengthen the surrounding muscle offering more support as well as keeping your muscles stretched and not pulling on the knee itself.
    I'd look for a sport Physio in particular. If your in Canberra Australia I can recommend an excellent one. I've had friends who after tearing their ACL and needing a full reconstruction, have used squatting as part of their rehab (not heavy to start with obviously)

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    If the doctor you go to is giving you advice but they themselves are overweight or out of shape themselves than I would take what they say with a grain of salt.

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