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    ad5ly is offline Senior Member
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    Question Combining Flexible Steel and Super Joints

    A number of months ago there was a post about what flexibility program to get for the beginner or the super tight stiff comrade - Super Joints or Relax into Stretch. Someone (can't remember who) suggested Super Joints and Flexible Steel. I have realized for a long time now that my lack of flexibility and old guy stiffness has continued to be my weakest link and has allways been the main obstacle to me getting stronger. Can these two program be integrated? Is one more advanced then the other? I do plan to get the Hard Copy book FLEXIBLE STEEL when it comes out and the Super Joints book/dvd. For those who have both your input I will read with high interest. ..Dennis

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    Quote Originally Posted by ad5ly View Post
    I have realized for a long time now that my lack of flexibility and old guy stiffness has continued to be my weakest link and has allways been the main obstacle to me getting stronger.
    You have just described me. I amreally interested in hearing someone more experienced in this topic.

    .Marlon

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    I have not finished reading Flexible Steel; however I remember hearing on this Forum that Flexible Steel is based on Super Joints. The mobility drills s/be very similar although not sure if Flexible Steel includes all Super Joint's drills or just cherry picked ones and Flexible Steel may add a tweak or two to the drills based on John's own experience using them; however I don't want to speak for John so hopefully he will chime in.

    As I remember it, where Flexible Steel excels is that it offers you pre-designed programs to follow; whereas Super Joints is for the most part a collection of drills and you kind of figure out which one's are most important for you although Pavel does emphasize some drills as paramount.

    Based on what I know I think both are important to own and know...good/great ideas will come from both.
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    Engum mentions that you should have Relax into Stretch to build on with Flexible Steel.

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    I have both books and in my opinion flexible steel have take too much from Super joints. I'm surprised that Pavel wrote ""Flexible Steel is my favorite stretching book..." as a review of that book, considering that Engum is a students of him (as he wrote in Flexible steel). By the way it's a good book too. But I personally prefer super joints.
    Anyway, I take seriously the flexibility/mobility work 1 year ago with Super Joints and other products. I went from a normal flexibility ad a parallel squat to a full deep goblet squat, without issues on the back, neck or else.
    I practice now Super joint every morning for about 10 to 15 minutes. And it's like the hand of God that touch me I achieved to press the 24K for ladders and even the 32K for one repetition each arm. Things that before caused me neck tension and other pains.
    As I told to my aged clients, there is no reason to do all the reps in one session: spread them during the day (GTG way). Cause in some cases they're not able to do 40/50 even 70 repetitions per movement (as Pavel wrote on SJ - depending on the age) in one session because it burns or they fatigue too much. So I advice them to do multiple brief session during the day. 10 reps session (for every movement) take about 5/7 minutes. And even if they don't all the repetitions during the day (example 50 repetitions) after 1 month or 2 they are able to accomplish that "task".
    So my advice is, take SJ and start with it every morning and if you can even in the afternoon and avery easy form 2 hour before bedtime. You don't have to strain every movement, just practice it until you feel good. Start with this then when your mobility and flexibility improved, start thinking about splits (if you want to achieve them and if you really need them).
    Hope this help.
    Last edited by Dorian.Strife; 12-04-2012 at 11:23 AM. Reason: corrections

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    Thanks Dorian.Strife for your input. BTW Italy is a very beautiful country. I was stationed at NAS Sigonella (Sicily) and later Gaeta with C6F onboard USS Belknap. I wish I were an artist so I could paint the scenery there! Anyway, I have Relax into Stretch book (no dvd) But had read somewhere that SJ is better suited for beginners. I have decided to get SJ and FS together and work from there. I want to make my variety days/off days to be targeted toward stretching and flexibility because as I said before flexibility now is at the top of the chart as far as my goals now stand. Thanks..Dennis

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    You're welcome. Yeah Italy is a very beautiful place
    Last advice, take flexibility in a simply way, don't exceed or try too much. Time and patience will do your work. When you don't "feel right" with something, stop and go lighter.
    At the time I exceed and felt stuck. It wasn't good
    Enjoy!

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    I have super-joints and flexible steel. IMO the flexible steel book takes a series of mobility/flexibility drills that are pared down and make a great routine. Most are from super joints but some are not. Super joints has a greater variety of drills and has more information overall. The Flexible Steel book excels on its section on the tactical frog. That series is where the gold is at and makes the book worth buying IMO. If you want to increase your hip flexibility then buy and apply both books.

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    Get all three books, SJ, Relax into Stretch and FS. SJ and Relax into Stretch will teach you the whys and FS will show you how to put it together and take the guess work out. Better yet get to a live flexible steel event and you will get more info than all three book together.

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    In fact it would be cool to see all three packaged together ... hint to JDC

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