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    DTris is offline Senior Member
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    While some of those guys are out there I agree with the stockpiling of some foodstuffs and fresh water and especially with growing your own food. First, homegrown stuff is healthier and tastes better. Second, it is not subject to the whims of the market. In a normal natural disaster there is often food and water shortages. If there is a huge coronal mass ejection from the sun it could knock out electricity on half the planet. That would take awhile to fix. It may not be likely but I would rather have some extra food and water then not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ad5ly View Post
    I can't help but sense that there are those people who relish the idea of the world descending into complete chaos and total disaster with no government or authority
    In my experience, these tend to be people who don't actually get out and do stuff. Their viewpoint is influenced by the video games, movies, books, and internet forums that they spend most of their time on. I'm convinced that it is a sort of compensation for not having a life of their own. They can feel action oriented without actually having to be active.

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    greenlanterncorp1987- I agree with you on the point about the government not coming to save you. In fact, "save you," may not be all it's cracked up to be. You never know what the picture of that is going to be, officially or unofficialy. I'd definitely say getting in shape is important, but for a reason that doesn''t seem to be touched on: the ability to do things in an improvised manner (makeshift shit, to be more informal). Think about it: you might need to rip one thing off of another, push a car out of mud, swing a weapon that wasn't really designed that well for that purpose, etc... . There's so many things that could be stated as an example & that's part of the point- it could come up a lot.

    There are a lot of interlocking skills that come into play in that kind of environment. Static skills (growing food, for example) are not, in my opinion, as important as more mobile skills (fighting, driving, patching up various wounds, makeshift repairs/fabrications, languages, etc...). Not having that time lag of having to figure out a particular weapon or vehicle is a huge assistance. Also, you'd need to "get there" in the first place. A lot of people think that they'll just live off the land as they go (I thought this, too- at one point), but it takes time to do that. Having food & water (as well as water purification things, if you can) is a great asset to you. You don't have to stop to hunt or to boil water, or to find things that others may be looking for (it also may have been a bad growing season, you smell like one thing or another so hunting is a problem, it takes a little time to trap, etc...). Apocalypes aren't the only situation you may be dealing with. The area you're living in may just have problems or you, yourself, are in some shit. There's a lot of things that aren't "considered" problems, but cause issues like one just the same. Keep in mind that: What a situation consists of, makes it what it is. This could have numerous implications, especially if you have chicks & kids with you. That whole "strong equals mean" thing is bullshit right off the bat, but it might get you killed in this case.

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    Having read a fair amount about societies that collapse, there isn't really a lot about how fitness comes into play. Stuff like the collapse in Buenos Aires, warfare in Africa, etc. How mobile do you have to be? Certainly there are plenty of "on foot" evacuations from war torn areas but would those apply to America? Where would you go? Simply stockpiling "stuff" in your house is probably a pretty good plan, unless there is a flood or fire that physically destroys it. And I wouldn't really take those shows at face value, hardly representative of the majority of the "prepper" crowd. But I do know plenty of "big gut" guys who can lay down lead in prompt fashion and figure their gunslinger skills can compensate for their lack of physical capability. Quite a few suffer injuries from military/police/first responder service, so they are a knowledge bank even if physically limited.

    On the other hand, there is a pretty good account in the Gulf War I book "Bravo Two Zero" where two SAS guys get stranded in Iraq and try to hoof it out (while others, including the author, get captured). Only one makes it while the other presumably perishes in the desert from exposure. The survivor was supposedly an extremely fit bodybuilder and lost something like 20 pounds of muscle in the 10 days it took him to walk out. He attributes his survival to his excess muscle mass, his partner who died was a slighter man without the muscle mass to burn (though we don't really know, they were seperated). Anyway, point being fitness + muscle probably confers a short term survival advantage if you need to evac an area on foot.

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    Even without the full on surviving with no water/food, simply being able to lug all the crap you need over long distances is going to be worthwhile. No matter how big your stock pile is, it's gonna run out. What good are your 20 guns when your can't carry them.
    But like someone else said, it's a thing with guys not getting out in the world to do things. How many of these guys can catch, kill, clean, gut and cook a fish? I'm not claiming to be a world class woods man but I've done survival training and I finished it all the way through (1 week, minimum food supplies). I felt terrible after it but it was a life experience for me.

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    Sensing a bit of hate for videogames in this topic! I don't see the problem with them to be honest. They're just entertainment - if you watch TV or read books I don't think you have a right to insult them. I love them and I'm also the fittest person I know, so... Your logic isn't completely sound!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vattic View Post
    Sensing a bit of hate for videogames in this topic! I don't see the problem with them to be honest. They're just entertainment - if you watch TV or read books I don't think you have a right to insult them. I love them and I'm also the fittest person I know, so... Your logic isn't completely sound!
    I think the problem is when you do little else, and you're not fit, and those video games, books, movies, and internet forums are narrowely focused. It tends to influence your world view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Hansen View Post
    I think the problem is when you do little else, and you're not fit, and those video games, books, movies, and internet forums are narrowely focused. It tends to influence your world view.
    That is a bunch of crap. I have played video games for decades and have not been "influenced" to imitate what I have played. The same with the guy owning guns because he is trying to compensate for short comings, wink-wink, shows incredible ignorance. Oh, and before it is said, I never have owned a gun but believe if you pass the screen, you should be able too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PookDo View Post
    Last night I caught some of this Tv show and was blown away by how not just bat guano crazy this folks are but how incredibly impractical as well.A vast majority of them are incredibly overweight and out of shape and the amount of stuff they want to carry with them is just ridiculous. Honestly maybe I'm wrong but these people should act as if they're training for the Tough Mudder.I know it's a fictional show but they could learn a lot from the Walking Dead
    I dont think they where all out of shape there was a Texan Woman who looked like a crossfit Amazonian who could crush you with her thighs! she ended up joining the army

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