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    Trident is offline Junior Member
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    Default Implementing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu into CC, or vice versa?

    Hello everybody
    I finally started working on a big life goal of mine and that is proficiency in a martial art I like. After a lot of research and trying around, I ended up at the Gracie Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school here in Budapest, Hungary. Carlson Gracie Jr was in town for my first practice and after 2,5 hours I was completely done for.

    So much that now, two days later, I am still working out the sore muscles. I am aware of the fact that with time I will get used to the training but in any case, I was wondering how other martial art practicioners integrate their strength and conditioning into their practice. How important is strength and conditioning for your progress? I imagine that at the beginning it is important for me to practice a lot right? Maybe at the expense of progressing less quickly in my CC?

    Thanks for any input on this!
    Cheers

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    Conditioning for martial artists is important. More important than strength or pure aerobic conditioning though is being strong at a full range of motion. What you need to do is figure out how much time you have to practice and then decide your priorities. If you have strength and conditioning as a higher priority than martial arts then you will want to spend more time on S&C.

    For myself I found 2 days a week of CC on each exercise allowed me to progress on the easier levels. I fell off the wagon with my strength training though because I needed to focus on aerobic conditioning for my martial arts.

    Personally I found that doing short but intense sessions of conditioning worked best for me. By short I mean like 10-15 minutes. My advice is to experiment and start off with less than you want. Then you can always add more S&C work if you need or want to.

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    Thanks!

    What are your experiences with working out on a practice day?

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    I tend to workout right before practicing the martial arts. The trick is to not overdo the workout so you can have the energy to make it through your practice but by working out before it also tires you some so you stay more relaxed during practice and helps you focus on technique more than muscling things. If there is a special event like a test or something that will be pretty intense during practice I would not workout or just do an extended warm up.

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    If you want to be good at Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, practicing a lot at the beginning, middle, end, and in-between of your career is vital. If you're on the mat, drilling intelligently, logging and reviewing your training, etc, you can excel with absolutely no outside strength or conditioning work.

    So, does that mean you shouldn't do it? No, but it means be clear on your priorities. If you want to really get better, three times a week is the absolute minimum of training, and honestly that's probably not going to be enough to keep pace with your classmates after a while.

    Outside training can certainly help, and strength is the most important, and underrated quality here, but it needs to be sandwiched around your schedule, and not leave you tired. Now, if you just enjoy grappling, are not in a particular hurry, and don't mind getting tapped a lot, feel free to do whatever you like. I've had periods in my training (like when I was getting ready for RKC2) where I put bjj on autopilot, and went just enough so as not to slide backward, but when I decided to focus on it again, I knew that I needed to shift priorities.
    Jason Ginsberg, RKC2, LAc
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    CC has permitted me to target some very weak areas in my body, so I focus on that to build a healthy physique that isn´t in constant pain due to minor stress.

    I have changed the plan in a way that I can do both twice a week. One of the BJJ classes will be open mat so I can make sure to practice a lot. I will talk to my trainer as well

    I am a med student though so I am aware of the fact that I am going to get tapped out a lot because I simply can´t put the time and energy into practicing it 5x a week. But in the study free period I definately can and that´s where I plan to make my progresses.

    Thank you very much for the input folks!
    Last edited by Trident; 02-19-2013 at 08:38 AM.

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    If you want to get good at BJJ, do BJJ. CC is purely supplemental, more push-ups will not impact your ability to put on a triangle or defend one. It's all about technique.

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    If you're at Carlson Gracie Hungary ask for Peter Lakatos. He trains Carlson privately when he's in town, is the creator of Primal Move and does BJJ. He'll set you straight

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    JKD1 has the correct. You need to go more often than twice a week. There are med school students in my school, they make it happen. I work two jobs, play in a band, lift barbells and kettlebells, am planning my wedding, etc, and I still go 3-4 times a week.

    Also, open mat is probably the worst thing for you right now. Go to a regular class. If you must go to an open mat, don't just spar, spend a lot of time drilling. On your own, do a lot of shrimping, bridging (bjj bridging, not CC), hip escapes, four corner drills, technical stand up, etc. Above all, don't be "that guy" on the mat.
    Jason Ginsberg, RKC2, LAc
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    Thanks for all the advice and input! I already changed my workout routine so that I do it almost every morning and will go to the practices more often!

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