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    Default Pavels new program minimum

    I just caught pavels new take on program minimum in this months Reps magazine. Did anyone else see it? It is a lot easier

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    Who is Pavel?

    In my opinion the program minimum is the single most overrated program ever to grace kettlebell training.

    Now please don't take this statement the wrong way. I'm not saying it is ineffective It's just not the end all be all for beginner kettlebell training.

    If you have never lifted a weight or haven't in years, then yes it's great.

    But for someone who is fit and learning kettlebell training it leaves a lot to be desired.

    I've done it and for a month, it's fine. I also combined the TGU's and Swings on a day and did other stuff as well. But the kettlebell world doesn't start and stop with it.

    In my opinion it's a good practice program that is good for breaking into kettlebells, getting the swing and tgu movements down. I would combine it with something else, or done during variety days of the Rite of Passage. Not as a standalone program.

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    I've not seen the magazine, any chance you could outline it here? I understand it's 3x per week?

    The PM IMO, as written in ETK, is a waste of time. Not enough work to get much result for anyone unless severely deconditioned. I've suggested many times in the past a 3x per week formula that has a 20min goal for both swings and get ups. You do the get ups first with the goal being 1 rep per minute for 20mins with a heavy bell. Then you do a set of 10 one hand swings on the minute for 20mins. I'd suggest that an individual who could do this with the beast would be in quite good shape. Is it the PM? No, but a variation on the theme that will bring great results.

    Article on what I call the Program Maximum - The Program Maximum: Kettlebell Training for the Advanced Athlete | Breaking Muscle

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    AndrewR, I read your article, you are an animal.

    On a separate note, the outline is: 1 getup on your weaker side, 1 getup on your stronger side, 20 swings. Jog or jump rope until your breathing normalizes. That's one set. On Monday do 6 sets, on Wednesday do 4 sets, on Friday do 5 sets.

    In response to the pm being to easy, I found it to be perfect for me. I never stopped heavy lifting and loaded carries, sometimes the 12 minutes of swings (55lb and 80lb) interfered with my grip the next day (couldn't go as far on the carries), this doesn't happen to me from normal weight training for consecutive days. Also I took Pavels explanation of the man-maker as "high-rep kettlebell drills- swings in our case" to mean it could be any high rep kettlebell drill, which I freely swapped out for different cycles, this made it an easy template for me to practice new moves.
    For getups I now prefer from the ground up 1 and 2. Also, from the center is coming on Friday. But I'll probably go back to pm eventually, I always do.
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    I am totally with you on swings being the same as any ballistic hip hinge - clean, snatch, high pull - all will work. A couple of years ago all I could do was swings and half get ups, because everything else hurt due to an injury. Worked up to doing the 20mins with a 40kg for get ups, but would often do double swings, high pulls, snatches, etc instead of just swings.

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    I have not see this article, does anyone have a link to it ?

    thank you

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    Finally! Someone who agrees with me in regard to this. Andrew, I love reading your stuff by the way.

    When I did what I thought was the PM, I was doing 10-15 minutes of getups.

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    Tigheguy, AndrewRs article is linked at the bottom of his post, the article with the new pm is part of a writeup on kettlebells in this months Reps magazine, available on newstands everywhere . (The outline is in my post below AndrewRs)
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    AndrewR,
    I'm doing freestanding handstand press work right now, but there is a big part of me that would really like to work up to 100lb getups (most weight has been 55lbs for alternating reps).
    From your experience, would the benefits of heavy getups be valuable enough to take the time to focus on them as a strength move (as opposed to handstand pushups), right now I do getups as movement training.
    Also I will still be doing my normal overhead presses from my regular lifting, do you think, from your experience with them, that it will interfere with my normal weight lifting?

    BChase, As far as etk for beginners, I agree with you, I just received from the center in the mail today, and I would definitely steer people towards from the ground up 1 & 2 and from the center to form a base. (I have seen alot, I mean a lot, of people who get hurt in their first year of lifting because of poor form, and these products do a great job of ensuring that someone lifts safely, assuming the advice is followed)
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    Finally found a Flex magazine (October) and can't find anything by Pavel. Just a bunch of dudes on roids and Weider this and Weider that. What month is "this month"???

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