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    GunnyHighway is offline Senior Member
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    Cool Overtraining is Overrated

    I must see a half dozen posts a week asking how to combnine workouts w/o overtraining. Or how to add martial arts training to ETK or CC. Everyone just seems to worry way too much about overtraining.

    When I was in the best shape of my life I was lifting THREE times a DAY, six days a week AND running 3-4 times a week (including a long 10+ miler) AND martial arts training, in addition to all the normal Marine Corps PT and other training.

    A few years later I was out of the Corps and working long hours in a high-stress job when I discovered ETK and kettlebells. They've been great for me. But lately, I've had more time on my hands and life is moving at a slower pace, so I've been looking at getting myself back in the shape of my youth.

    And what I'm discovering is that my 44-year old body (rapidly approaching 45) still responds better to much more frequent training than ETK and most other programs give.

    I've been doing ETK for quite awhile, so about a month ago I just went ahead and added a second workout to my day. I'm still doing ETK in the afternoons, and my morning workout consists of a brief ab workout of leg-raises and crunches, and a pull-up/push-up workout that looks like:

    1 pull-up
    10 push-ups
    2 pull-ups
    10 push-ups
    3 pull-ups
    10 push-ups
    4 pull-ups
    10 push-ups
    5 pull-ups
    10 push-ups
    4 pull-ups
    10 push-ups
    3 pull-ups
    10 push-ups
    2 pull-ups
    10 push-ups
    1 pull-up
    10 push-ups

    On my ETK "fun" days, I include TGUs, halos, shrugs and curls.

    None of these workouts take more than 30 minutes. I'm eating one large meal in the evening, and sipping a protein/juice drink throughout the day.

    A month into this and I am packing on muscle, and dropping fat. I was worried about my old body handling the load, but I haven't felt this good in years.

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    ad5ly is offline Senior Member
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    I don't know precisely how to clearly define OT. I do know that since I hit my 40's I have to rein things in quite a bit wrt strength/condx training because my performance will stall or degrade to such an extent that the enevitable injury will occur. Its effects are physical and psychological. One training session or even a few weeks is not a problem. Its the accuumulation of many sessions without proper rest and recovery and the effects of age that take its toll. While in an OT state can't seem to make the mind-nerve-muscle connection. I make mistakes and I lose focus. Back in my 20's I was in the USMC (you probably allready know this as I post abit about this as I often pontificate on and on about my military service..hehe!!..can't help it - its hard to be humble.) I did the USMC "ooorah!" bit for PT - and sometimes with a severe hangover from too many brews in the E-Club the night before. But I was young then and had alot of tolerance for self abuse. I also lifted weights and did ALOT of running as that is what I thought was expected of me as a Marine. Then that night it was back to the E-Club sucking down more brewskies. Work hard - Play hard. I know now that I could probably make it through one week of USMC bootcamp at my advanced age. But the daily grind of 13 weeks now would have me sucking wind early on and sadly I would not make the grade. But thats why most Marines, Rangers, Airbourne types are young guys - teenagers and early 20's something. Hey look..you are doing good for 44. Milk while it lasts and Semper Fi!!...Dennis

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    BChase is offline Senior Member
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    Gunny I am your age and I push it as well. I do think you need at least 2 days off a week. I know when I push it to 6 days a week, my muscles get stiff and my joints are sore. Currently I am doing 1 on 1 off and it helps

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    Gunnyhighway, I totally agree with you. I also agree in that I get way better results by working out multiple times a day rather than one really long workout, although I throw those in every once in awhile to shake things up.

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    WillardPalmer is offline Junior Member
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    these all above mentioned steps are enough to make you all more and impressive with the physique.. enough for a complete exercise care...
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    AndrewR is offline Senior Member
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    I'm 42, train 7 days per week, often twice a day. But I do make sure to get 8hrs sleep each night, and often get a nap during the day. Not unusual for me to do 4+hrs on both days on the weekend.

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    Chris Hansen is offline Senior Member
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    Some people seem to be able to handle high volume but I'm not one of them. I burn out pretty quickly if I'm not careful, and it's always been like that. Other people I know have always been able to run/bike/lift with more frequency than I could handle.

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    schnieder is offline Senior Member
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    It all depends. I've got four young children and two jobs - it would be dumb of me to spend hours training.

    What amazes me is that if you do a little bit every day or two and know a few correctives you can be in pretty good shape, strong enough, healthy BW, etc. I spend a fraction of the time working out that I used to but am stronger in some ways.

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    BigPete_HKC is offline Junior Member
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    In regards to overtraining versus the body being able to handle vass amounts of stress, let me remind you of a quote by Gray Cook regarding functional movement, "First, Move Well, Then Move Often." That is really what Gunnyhighway has going for himself right now, having a centralized workout with Enter the Kettlebell plust some of the subsequent bodyweight work that he details above. I assume that Gunny is very well-versed when it comes to pullups/pushups, and the workout ladder that is detailed above is not taxing in the least for an individual firmly based in those movements and looks to me like much of a classic "Grease the Groove" style protocol. Gunny probably won't be at risk for overtraining because the movements done outside of the realm of training are not so globally taxing to be worrisome.

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