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    Why is name calling necessary? No need to get personal. If you disagree with comments, and you usually do, just disagree like you usually do.

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    305pelusa,

    I can't speak with you because you don't know bodyweight mastery program book... Your comment is like this book : poor.

    Ciao

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimx View Post
    This book is totally overpriced, half of the book (around 40 pages) is a "sales letter", the real stuff begin at 20.

    Do you want his explanation for L-Sit and Back Bridges ? Hilarious...
    That book does sound kind of disappointing, and like it's twice the size it needs to be. It actually says to go read Convict Conditioning 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post
    Just out of curiosity, how's training going with you? Mostly KB work?
    Hi 305, thanks for asking.

    I'm kind of transitioning from the garage to indoors and am still working out the details. In fact, maybe I'll start a new thread. Sometimes it helps to get some outside opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Hansen View Post
    That book does sound kind of disappointing, and like it's twice the size it needs to be. It actually says to go read Convict Conditioning 2?
    He likes CC a lot, I called him out on how similar the program was to it and he responded straight away defending it.

    Convict conditioning is very solid... But there's also a lot of issues with it. The progressions don't actually work that well... Especially when going to the mastery level. Training for the one arm handstand push-up is beyond silly. Much more effective to do full range style. This also builds way better delts. One arm push ups with feet together is horrible, it takes work off the upperbody and forced a very awkward twist. Much, much better to do it with upperbody squared... And feet shoulder width or slightly wider, building up to feet elevated. The workout programs are on the lower volume side, so not ideal for building muscle.

    He does sound like he has a solid approach to bodyweight training. CC has a lot of "questionable attributes" but overall it's pretty beneficial for most people I think. He seems to have taken it and "ironed out all the kinks" as he saw fit. I think a lot of people would agree with him.
    40 pages? 20 of it fluff? Yikes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimx View Post
    305pelusa,

    I can't speak with you because you don't know bodyweight mastery program book... Your comment is like this book : poor.

    Ciao
    You're absolutely right. Ultimately, if I was looking to review or recommend (or not), I'd have to at least buy and try it out first before being able to even discuss quality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Hansen View Post
    Hi 305, thanks for asking.

    I'm kind of transitioning from the garage to indoors and am still working out the details. In fact, maybe I'll start a new thread. Sometimes it helps to get some outside opinions.
    Umh interesting. I'd like to know what that entails. Less BB, more BW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eoin Kenny View Post
    Training for the one arm handstand push-up is beyond silly. Much more effective to do full range style. This also builds way better delts. One arm push ups with feet together is horrible, it takes work off the upperbody and forced a very awkward twist. Much, much better to do it with upperbody squared... And feet shoulder width or slightly wider, building up to feet elevated. The workout programs are on the lower volume side, so not ideal for building muscle.
    Very good analysis, and conclusions, I'd say. Shame his book is more of a gimmick program than an actual book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post

    Umh interesting. I'd like to know what that entails. Less BB, more BW?
    It's been a mix. Kb deads/swings, arch body holds, and Jefferson curls have been great for my back. Side presses with a dumbell have been great for my shoulder, and I've been working pushups to reinforce shoulder mechanics.

    I was working pullups, weighted chinups, and hanging leg raises in the garage but haven't been out there since the beginning of October. Now that I'm inside I'll probably focus on row variations, ab wheel rollouts, and hollow body holds. I've also been working on the trifecta from cc. Goblet squats and bridges are included in my warmup.

    I think I'm trying to fit too much in. Currently, I'm trying to get everything I need in terms of keeping the shoulder and back happy, and still fit in some of what I want. As usual, there's been some over-analyzing involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eoin Kenny View Post
    He likes CC a lot, I called him out on how similar the program was to it and he responded straight away defending it.

    Convict conditioning is very solid... But there's also a lot of issues with it. The progressions don't actually work that well... Especially when going to the mastery level. Training for the one arm handstand push-up is beyond silly. Much more effective to do full range style. This also builds way better delts. One arm push ups with feet together is horrible, it takes work off the upperbody and forced a very awkward twist. Much, much better to do it with upperbody squared... And feet shoulder width or slightly wider, building up to feet elevated. The workout programs are on the lower volume side, so not ideal for building muscle.

    He does sound like he has a solid approach to bodyweight training. CC has a lot of "questionable attributes" but overall it's pretty beneficial for most people I think. He seems to have taken it and "ironed out all the kinks" as he saw fit. I think a lot of people would agree with him.
    40 pages? 20 of it fluff? Yikes...
    While I do agree with some of what he says, it's too bad he didn't create an original product instead of reworking an existing one.

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    Every program has issues. It may have been written by someone who easily adds strength and muscle. It may have been a 150 pound guy telling you how to add mass. It even could have been written by a guy that has never worked out, just read some stuff on the Internet and put in some stock photos of some guy with his shirt off. Same thing with the hot diet of the month.

    Coach Wade encourages you to seek intermediate progressions that work for you, hence becoming your own coach. The overall framework and goals remain the same.

    Very few programs work longer than six weeks. When you find one that works for you, stick with it and grow with it. Adding muscle is far more difficult than adding strength and a much longer process than most people think.

    That is why I have followed CC for 2 years. I have made solid gains in strength and mass and those gains continue. No pains or injuries in that time, and issues I had with shoulders and knees are gone. Do I ever expect to do a one hand handstand push-up? Hell no! But making that journey will get me stronger and bigger than stopping at the two handed version.

    Good Luck with your Journey.
    Last edited by MostlyFull; 10-09-2015 at 12:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 305pelusa View Post
    Very good analysis, and conclusions, I'd say. Shame his book is more of a gimmick program than an actual book.
    He's actually wrong about a lot of those points I think. For starters CC does have you do full ROM handstand push ups in step 7. The basketball forces you to use the lower half of your full ROM whilst the other hand does the upper. Then you switch sides and voila! My guess is it'd be even more effective than using bars or books to increase ROM since your rotator cuff goes into overdrive stabilising the ball. Also, about the workload being too small... I think he totally missed an important point in those books... the key to the whole thing is the progressions and how you move from one to the next. Writing a generic program for everyone isn't going to work, hence the be your own coach thing we always hear. Anyway, if anyone is too lazy to do that they can just look at solitary confinement for a high volume program

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