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    closecombat is offline Member
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    Default hitting walls with handstand progression.

    Hi guys,

    So this question is in regard to not progressing in strength on certain steps in CC I'm sure most if not all have been there. My progression on crow stands stood at a halt when I reached 50 seconds trying to get to a minute seemed impossible as for over 6 months I was only doing 50-55 seconds with that I then decided to jump to the next step of wall handstands. After doing wall handstands for four weeks I then went back to crow stands and all of a sudden after four weeks of step 3 I boosted my crow stand up to over 1 minute and 10 seconds. So at the moment I have been stuck on only doing a minute of a wall handstand and haven't progressed in over 6 months do you think it would be an idea to progress on to the next step before being able to do 2 minutes like Paul Wade suggests. It worked well the last time I'm wondering would it work as good again. But I'm also wondering would I be running the risk of injury.

    Also have any of ye had any similar experiences and skipped steps how did ye get on with that?

    Thanks in advance,
    Oisin

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    Hi Oisin,

    You should check out this thread

    Unlocking Handstand push ups & One arm push ups

    In short, no I don't think it would be overtaining to go to step 4. A 2 min handstand hold is excruciating. I myself skipped it because I was worried I'd push too hard one time and fall flat on my face.

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    I think a minute is a very good base honestly. Go ahead and move onwards I'd say!

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    Where is the failure occurring?

    Are you shoulders giving out/slumping

    Your forearms?

    Your wrists?

    Are you going to near failure?

    Are you "corkscrewing" you arms (from Naked Warrior) as if you had a bar in you hands and want to bend it down? Helps with generating more tension.

    Are you resting enough between sets? Getting enough sleep?

    My thought is that doing a higher level step does not make you stronger, it just demonstrates strength or skill.

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    If I could go back in time and tell myself one thing. It would be don't spend time when making no progress/no gut ROM.

    Do pike pushups off your bed you will save yourself SO much time. I spent 6 months on Handstand with no gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert23 View Post
    If I could go back in time and tell myself one thing. It would be don't spend time when making no progress/no gut ROM.
    Do you mean that increasing ROM isn't a good idea? Man, I've found it to be very very useful the last month. Gains in nearly every training session done 3x times a week.

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    I've found that pistols and bridges respond well to partial ROM. Anything else I would make the exercise easier so you can do a full ROM. Don't use a difficulty level that you can control for the entire ROM.

    I've never had any success with it personally.

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    Also there's an excellent progression in Overcoming Gravity for HSPUs

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    Yeah there is, he says to either use negatives or increase ROM over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eoin Kenny View Post
    Yeah there is, he says to either use negatives or increase ROM over time.
    I think maybe you missed the point Robert was trying to say. In CC, I believe you go straight from HS holds to half headstand push ups. Robert was saying that it's better to use a full ROM. Overcoming Gravity is an example because the first step in HSPU work are pike push ups. And only once those are solid, should you move on to the headstand push up (at that point, books or negatives could be used to bridge the strength gap IF needed).

    Cutting ROM is definitely not part of the OG progression. In fact, if you can do them head to ground, you should do those instead. This is different to CC where the author DOES place cut ROM as part of the progressive steps, with rep goals and everything else.

    Not saying one is better than the other, but the way OG approaches HSPUs is very different than CC. I think Robert was just recommending that progression instead.

    Anyways, as far as the thread goes, I think a minute wall stand is pretty solid to move right along.

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