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    New Comrade is offline Senior Member
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    Default Best martial art/self defence...

    ...that is useful for me specifically. I'm not here to incite debate/arguments, just need help.

    I know that there is no 'best' martial art' and that a martial art is as good as the teacher and the student. Assuming this is fulfilled, which should I learn? I want to learn to be better able to defend myself if the need should arise. I'm considering the following:

    1) Judo:

    Pros: I feel Judo may be most useful since slamming one's assailant onto a hard ground will incapacitate them quite well
    Cons: Does it include striking practise and grappling?

    2) Jeet Kune Do: does it incorporate throws + grappling, like in Judo?

    3) Filipino martial arts/kali etc

    4) BJJ: since focus is on the ground, what happens if you must defend against a second assailant?

    5) Krav Maga: does it incorporate grappling and throws?

    6) Mauy Thai

    7) Wing Chun

    8) Karate

    9) Target Focus Training

    I do not know much about martial arts. Can you objectively discuss the pros and cons of each and advise me which I should consider? I want to choose one and stick to it, and not jump from one to another all the time.

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    I like threads like this. When looking for self defense methods determine if the method that interests you is actually useful for self defense in real life situations. Judo for example, in my view is more of a sport - and not very effective for self defense. Now, I did alot of self taught (big mistake here..hehe!!) karate in my younger days. Karate can work well against untrained or drunk hooligans. At least good foot work and kicks can keep one or two attackers at distance so you can run bravely away. But that applies to untrained or inexperienced attackers. I never trained in Krav Maga - but money is on that for most effective self defense. That because the emphasis is on self defense and surviving an attack by multiple attackers without all the fluff and super cool Jacki Chan moves. Now does that mean a trained krav maga person can easily defeat a trained karate person? Not neccessarily. What also counts is to what level or degree of expertise and experience the individual has trained for in his chosen method. I noticed that not on your list is a method taught in the 1930s and 1940s by William E. Fairbairn. He called it "Defendu" which is all about dirty street fighting - gutter fighting as he also calls it. He trained British Commandos/US Army Rangers and Marines during the war in his methods. He also was expert in knife fighting. Google him. He is a Legend. I think any method that has you doing excessive flowery movements, dancing and "cat like noises" is mostly BS. Yeah I know Bruce Lee did it in the movies. Thats Hollywood. Showmanship. What the audience wants. I bet in real life he would not meow like a cat while fighting...hehehe!!...Dennis

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    It claimed by some that krav maga is derived from William Fairbairns Defendu methods...Dennis

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    In my opinion, if it's for self-defence, you don't need a striking martial art : boxing, karate, etc... Or only for hitting a sensitive spot on the body, the nose for example.

    I did judo and boxing. In the past, 2-3 times I have a serious problem with guys in the street and judo helped me more.

    I really wanted try Jeet Kune Do because it seems a good self-defence but I didn't find a club... I did a little bit military self-defence too (Krav I think, I don't remember), when I did my military service. Not bad but I prefer Judo

    And yes, in Judo you have some strikes to defend and "keys" of course. If you have a good coach like mine, often he also knows Ju-Jitsu and, when you are intermediate-advanced, you learn technique to "calm down" an agressive man, even dangerous technique that can hurt seriously your opponent.
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    In self defense situations your best defense is DISTANCE - kicks/punches/running away. Judo however, requires you to close in with your opponent(s) and grapple. Or attempt a throw. With one on one fighting you stand a good chance of "winning" if you are skilled in judo. If more than one opponent - that means you wind up on the ground. Not a good place to be when another attacker is kicking you. Judo can work - but it is a sport after all. Against an EXPERIENCED street thug judo by itself is near useless. Skill/experience of each fighter is what matters. Krav maga uses many methods from most other forms of fighting. It is tailored to fighting in circumstances where you are at a distinct disadvantage and survive to live another day... Also, do not make the mistake of thinking that real life "fighting" is actually fighting. Its not. Your attacker is not interested in "fighting" you. He wants to rob you, rape you or kill you. Fighting implies rules and fairness. On the street that does not happen. There are no "winners". Just survivors...Dennis

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    Most of it comes down to the teacher. Karate can be very effective if it's taught right but it rarely is. Jeet Kune Do has a lot of great stuff, including grappling, but some schools are better than others. Krav Maga has a reputation for effectiveness but I've heard that the quality of school can vary quite a bit, etc, etc.

    Remember that different groups who are preparing for similar circumstances will develop similar solutions. The way they train and prepare might be different but what they actually do when they need it will have similarities.

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    New Comrade, Forgot to ask why you looking at self defense methods? Is it for actual self defense or is it to to be engaged in the sport aspect and training overall? ...I will also add that situational awareness on the street is probably the single most important aspect for your self defense. If your gut tells you to turn and run - do it. Remember the dancer/old time actor Gene Kelley? Dancing and skipping down a dark street with his hands in his pockets and "singing in the rain" at the top of his lungs. Don't be Gene Kelley...hehe!!...Dennis

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    The top two I would recommend is:

    1. Aikido: this would allow you to redirect an attack in order for you to get distance from an opponent and get away.

    2. Jiu Jitsu / Judo / Wrestling...etc: If your attempts to create distance and escape fails, then statistics show that nearly all fights end up on the ground, this is where this discipline would be useful.

    I find that kicking and punching becomes less and less effective because distance is required for this that won't last long. A slightly skilled opponent will easily evade punches/kicks and get inside your defense.

    Keep in mind, this is for self-defense. If you are looking to kill or severely injure someone then the choices change.

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    Aikido. Interesting. My money is still with krav maga. Because the krav maga method draws upon techniques from most all of the other forms of fighting. More tools in your tool box. There is punching and kicking, grappling, choking, gouging, and improvised weapons - stones, keys, sticks. Boxing, wrestling, judo, karate and stick/knife fighting, etc...all are used depending on the situation and threat. In a nut shell - street fighting. Most formalized training methods of fighting is conducted in a class or dojo. Conduct and rules are set. Most of the training is cookie cutter style rehersals to mimic real life fighting. Almost choergraphed in application. Over time the "following the rules" mindset is front and foremost in your mind. On the street that doesn't work. Following the rules is dangerous on the street. You probably will not initially know the intentions of the person(s) attacking you. Therefore you must assume the worst case scenerio. You must be prepared to run fast or kill/seriously injure another human being. Fairbairns had his trainees kill livestock. Pigs mostly. By striking, kicking, chocking, stabbing/slicing..etc..by any means imaginable. That is the closest to actually killing a human being allowed by law in a training enviroment. Knowing that you can go the full distance and do the unthinkable in desparate situations without flinching is what gets you through your worst day on earth...Dennis

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    All your responses make sense, so I'm still in a dilemma, hehe!

    In my POV (plus lack of experience), the fact that you can throw/slam an opponent to the ground then focus on second opponent is what makes Judo attractive. However, I can understand that keeping distance is ideal, but you need to revert to throws etc once they come close. Plus, is it true Japanese police force get taught Judo? If they do, it must be useful.

    The reason I want to learn self defence is so that I can deal with a situation if need be, not for sports aspect/training. I definitely have no issues with running away; of course, that's most sensible. I'll have to watch Singin' in the Rain to learn about the mistakes!

    I definitely don't want to kill anyone; the most I'd want to do is injure a criminal to ensure my own safety/survival.

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