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    Milo-Fan is offline Member
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    Default A BEAR is a relative thing

    "Some alien life forms grow like weeds from a single set of five reps"

    ^ This quote from the "Bible" definitely applies to me. I've learned the hard way a "BEAR" is just two sets for me & no eighty percent sets. I'm trying a Mon/Tues/Thur/Fri schedule for now.
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    How anyone could do 20 eighty percent sets is beyond me???

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    Filth Infatuated is offline Junior Member
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    Glad low volume is working for you!

    I tried the Bear, too. I think Pav says you can end up doing anywhere between 5-25 sets with your 80% weight. Beyond me how anyone can reach the higher end of this also. Even at the start of my cycle, I never felt comfortable going past 10 sets of deadlifts.

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    It would take a "bear" to ligitimately use 400/365/320lbs for twenty sets I promise you that. I still am amazed no one has taken Pavel's BEAR and expanded on it as it IMO is THE best mass producing routine there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo-Fan View Post
    I still am amazed no one has taken Pavel's BEAR and expanded on it as it IMO is THE best mass producing routine there is.
    Pavel wrote the passage below in response to a question on this forum several years ago. I copied and saved it for posterity.

    Comrade Chris, you can MP on one day and BP on the other. If we were talking radically different drills from the standpoint of motor abilities (e.gMP vs. Jerk), then you’d be better off rotating.


    If you are a bodybuilder with a lot of time you have many options, even doing two exercises per bodypart a day for 10x5 once a week, e.g.


    Mon. -BP and incline BP,


    Tue -pullups and DL,


    Wed. -C&P, side press,


    Thur.-SQ, hack SQ,


    Fri. -Janda situp, Full Contact Twist,


    Saturday -barbell curl, hammer curl.


    The cycling approach: push harder on some days; every fourth week cut the volume in half down to 5x5

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    I did (2) eighty percent sets yesterday (actually eighty-five percent) w/ a thirty second interval and I have actual soreness so I know I caused significant protein breakdown. Scientifically applied volume works.

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    Three hours later I did three 80% "Commando" sets just because I love DL'ing so much so I doubt I instilled the same level of fatigue if I had done a proper mass oriented w/out.
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    Okay, so seems like their is a disconnect with understanding the program. The 80% sets is NOT 80% of your 1 rep max, it is 80% of the top set FOR THAT DAY. So if you're doing the original PTTP, you do a "money set", then 90% of that "money set", then if you choose to do the BEAR program you then drop to 80% of that "money set" and do multiple sets of 5.

    The trick here is that you start your "money set" with a weight you can comfortably do 10 reps with. Your 90% weight should be a breeze, and the 80% weight should be near effortless. If you cannot perform more than 2 sets of 5 with your 80% weight then you started WAY too heavy.

    My favorite way to perform the BEAR is to do my deadlift and press sets in a super-set. I then set an interval timer and have it go off every 2 - 3 minutes where I then do a super-set. If you do a super-set every 2 minutes for 20 sets that is 40 minutes. If you do a super-set every 3 minutes for 20 sets that is 60 minutes. I suggest start with 3 minutes and as you get more conditioned you can reduce the time.
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    To quote Pavel directly "Do not be pedantic about fractions; round up the numbers." I use closer to 90+ & 85%.

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    If you did 2 85% sets and got soreness does not mean you caused significant muscle (or protein) breakdown. It just means you did something out of the ordinary, relative to what you have been doing. If you have DOMS it would probably indicate some muscle breakdown, but DOMS usually doesn't show up until the next day. Significant muscle breakdown would be indicated by difficulty walking, and extreme muscle soreness. You can also have muscle breakdown without soreness.
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