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    HBDL is offline Junior Member
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    Default PTTP commando w/out

    I'm interested to hear others experiences w/ PTTP's commando w/out? Did you keep the # of your 80% sets constant and simply increase the weight OR did you keep the weight the same and increase # of sets OR both?

    The fatigue = mass conclusion is correct. This is demonstrated w/ the overwhelming success of the venerable 20-rep squat routines that put a heckuva lotta mass on a heckuva lotta men for a heckuva long time.


    Thanks everyone for your input.
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    I performed the Bear workout from PTTP for a few months. It is conceptually easier than people make it. PTTP basics is 1 "money" set, then a 2nd set at 90% of the "money set". The Bear workout simply takes this one step further and does 80% of the "money set" to perform multiple sets of 5.

    I put my own flair on it where I liked doing this as a super-set with my overhead pressing. Then I set a timer where I performed a super-set every 2-3 minutes, which put the workout time around 45 - 60 minutes. You begin thinking that the rest periods are too long, but then realize by the end they are too short. It is like long slow cardio, hypertrophy training, and strength training all in one.

    Overall, I suggest against this. Mass building is over-rated and it is far better and healthier to remain lean and strong. Many more complications come from building mass such as obstructive sleep apnea, joint pain, severely reduced conditioning, loss of flexibility...etc. It just is not worth it.
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    I'm not familiar with the PTTP Commando workout. How is it different from regular PTTP?

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    I disagree. I wish I was 30lbs less fat lighter but not not 30lbs less muscle skinnier. I also L-O-V- E mass training. Pounding out set after set gives me a helluva high.

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    For what reason would you require being that much heavier? I strongly advise against mass building for the sheer sake of mass building. Are you planning on doing Strongman competitions or bodybuilding competitions or something that would require that? Did you know that bigger individuals have a higher mortality rate? I know of two big, strong, Strongman competitors who inexplicably DIED in 2015. They both were mid 30's to 40's. An alarmingly high percentage of bigger individuals like that die early or have other complications that I mentioned earlier that make life shitty.

    Spend time getting stronger and I guarantee you will add muscle, not as dramatically as focused mass training, but it will be a more natural gain. A family member of mine started strength training at 149lbs pulling 500 on a dead lift. Now a few years later he is about 160lbs and approaching a 600lbs dead lift. He visually looks huge, but is able to perform things like press flags and other advanced calisthenics movements due to his lower body-weight.

    If you want to workout simply to achieve the high at the end, then join a Crossfit box where you can do that every day. This will at least lean you out while not having any actual goals.

    Chris: the PTTP Commando workout is the Bear routine...
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    As with many things there risks. Arnold Swartzenegger just had heart surgery. But he is also 70+ yrs old. I am sure he understood the risks and accepted them. I however, in my mid 60s would not consider a program for deliberate mass gain. Thats probably a bad idea for folks who are approaching their geritol years...Dennis

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    Arnold destroyed his heart thru decades of steroid use. Although I'd love to be under 200lbs & am w/ sane dieting I'm slowly getting there. My blood pressure is high becuz I'm 5'8, 225lbs.

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    Yep steroids will do that. Thats definitely taking a risk on steroids. Too much muscle mass may effect mobility and the joints as a person goes past middle age. The bones just can't handle the added weight be it muscle or fat imo...Dennis

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    The circulatory system either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSmetzer View Post
    For what reason would you require being that much heavier? I strongly advise against mass building for the sheer sake of mass building. Are you planning on doing Strongman competitions or bodybuilding competitions or something that would require that? Did you know that bigger individuals have a higher mortality rate? I know of two big, strong, Strongman competitors who inexplicably DIED in 2015. They both were mid 30's to 40's. An alarmingly high percentage of bigger individuals like that die early or have other complications that I mentioned earlier that make life shitty.

    Spend time getting stronger and I guarantee you will add muscle, not as dramatically as focused mass training, but it will be a more natural gain. A family member of mine started strength training at 149lbs pulling 500 on a dead lift. Now a few years later he is about 160lbs and approaching a 600lbs dead lift. He visually looks huge, but is able to perform things like press flags and other advanced calisthenics movements due to his lower body-weight.

    If you want to workout simply to achieve the high at the end, then join a Crossfit box where you can do that every day. This will at least lean you out while not having any actual goals.

    Chris: the PTTP Commando workout is the Bear routine...
    ^ Thats what makes bodybuilding so fascinating. A guy can weigh 192lbs and look like he weighs 250lbs.

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