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    I was surfing the internet about how to increase testosterone with regards to improving my strength - and came upon the subject of "Nofap". Now, let me apologize right now if this is offensive to anyone. My apologies please. In a nutshell (no pun intended) it is the method in which men "retain semen" in their bodies - thus increased testosterone is achieved. The idea is - no porn viewing. And no release of semen while "solo". Thus "sexual energy" is directed into more productive pursuits and away from the loser pursuit of self gratification. This brings me back to my days growing up Catholic. I just knew I was going to hell. And the priest almost said so himself. Criminy, the guilt I felt....hehehe!!..but seriously I never heard of this "nofap". Anyone one with more to say on this?...Dennis

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    There are studies showing an increase in T from watching porn.

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    Just found out about NOFAP a few days ago. So, I'm no expert. Just wanted to research methods to increase my testosterone naturally for my strength training, and this NOFAP took me by surprise. I will say that with regards to porn - internet porn - that in my opinion there are many more destructive and dangerous consequences to indulging in it. Just the easy access to it is definitely not good especially to boys. Its like giving cocaine to a 12 year old. They become de-senitised to what is normal. Ted Bundy was a serial killer and when interviewed about why he killed all those girls, he said it was because he had access to Playboy Magazine. Suicide, self de-gradation. Destroyed lives and families. Decades ago if a young man wanted to view porn, he had to go to the store and get it. Or he hit the jackpot and found it in his uncles attic. Today 12 year old boys can view it on their PS3 in the privacy of their bedroom. This is destruction of entire generations of young men who may never marry because they can't relate to real women..Sorry for the pontificating but I only see a down side to internet porn for everyone ...Dennis

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    Limiting access to porn by age and internet porn in general are totally separate issues from semen retention. The latter is an ancient mythology from Eastern religions, most of which advocate for it as a key to spiritual progress. Modern science/medicine has some disagreement i.e. more frequent ejactulation=less prostate cancer risk

    https://www.europeanurology.com/arti...e-of-follow-up

    I think as always there's truth on both sides as well as missing info on both sides. Only answer to these sorts of questions I've ever found that I trust is to do research with your own body, really pay close attention to how you feel. Always! And feeling good is good. Feeling tired, low energy, etc, is not so good. That applies to most everything, sets/reps, when and how much to sleep, diet, everything...

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    There are legitimate arguments for limiting porn but I don't buy Ted Bundy's excuse. Lots of people had access to playboy magazines when they were kids and never killed anyone. There was something wrong with the guy.

    Anyway, from what I've read, T levels seem to change with your mental state. When you win at something or accomplish something or see a pretty girl your T levels get a boost. When you lose at stuff T drops. I'm not sure how much this actually affects anything in the long term though.

    There are also lots of things in the modern environment that suppress T and avoiding those might be productive. Sorry I don't remember details or references. I see stuff about that on T Nation sometimes or in health related articles I come across.

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    Also, in my very limited personal experience, T is over rated and over sold. About 15 years ago I tested as having pretty good amount but most of it bound to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) and therefore inactive. I did all sorts of chemical manipulation including HCG injections, amortize inhibitors, etc. Ramped it up inadvertently to the point where I was way over the top of any healthy range for a month or two until retested and got results back. Zero difference in any symptom or life experience except perhaps slightly faster beard growth.

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    Your correct Geoffrey that there is truth to both sides. And to pay attention to how you feel. Its like for people who can drink alcohol their entire lives without any negative impact on their life and they can also chose to not to drink without missing it at all. Then there are those who hit the skids after only 2-3 years of drinking and are in trouble. I kind of get the feeling this nofap (what is the acronym for this anyway??) is kinda new and new agey. Maybe just a fad I don't know. It kind of makes sense in that if your energy isn't directed toward "fapping" that it has to go somewhere - and ideally toward something uplifting and useful to your life. I don't imagine most men feel good about themselves after a session of "fapping". Now, time for "too much information" -- I know that I don't. Okay I said it. More like a total loser. Doesn't feel like a testosterone boost to me...hehehe!!...Dennis

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    Quote Originally Posted by ad5ly View Post
    nofap (what is the acronym for this anyway??) is kinda new and new agey. Maybe just a fad I don't know
    I'm not sure it's an acronym, fapping is a slang word...

    The idea has been around for a long time but I haven't seen it packaged this way until today.

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    The internet proves that too much information usually is not a good thing. I wonder if anyone in the DD community has experience with this AND if did improve strength performance. Maybe its just a case of "don't ask, don't tell"..Maybe a text to Anthony Weiner might reveal something..hehehe!!...Dennis

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    Surfing around for info after reading all the above, found that "fap" is an approximate spelling of the sound made by a man masturbating in animé from Japan "fap fap fap fap fap..."

    Just found this lurid bit of research that indicates that actually having sex (most likely shooting a load) increases T much more than just watching someone else (and quite possibly retaining...or not)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-sex-club.html


    • The rise in testosterone in those who had sex was 72 per cent, while it was just 11 per cent in those who observed sexual activity
    • Men's age had no effect on the testosterone increase - which was contrary to expectation.

    Just guessing but wouldn't surprise me if pheromones had a major impact on T level.

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