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    ad5ly is offline Senior Member
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    Default The Main Reason - imho

    People who are fat and overweight/obese and know they have to improve the situation for a whole host of reasons mostly fail most of the time. And there is a big reason for this. Its simply that their desire to get fit and trim and reduce the BF is not placed high enough on their list of priorities. Thats why New Years Resolutions are 99% doomed to failure. It all begins in your brain. First of all fat people fall on their emotions and embark on the weight loss program with initial high hopes and expectations. But that will quickly flame out. Emotions can't make it in the long term. It cannot be sustained. Instead allow your mind to expand on the PRACTICAL/LOGICAL. Lets say you embark on a fat loss program and in order to stay with it over the long term - a tidy sum of $500 is automatically deposited into your savings account at 12 midnight every night as long as you work the program 100%. Most of us would probably stick with the program. Well if money is not what gets you there perhaps advise from a doctor who informs you that you are overdue for a heart attack within three years unless you lose 30 lbs. This is practical. Fear is a huge motivator. Any goal worth achieving needs to be placed high up on your list of priorities. The goal must have a logical and practical basis to it. Vanity won't work. Highschool reunions, weddings, revenge dieting (women know this one..hehehe) won't work. Most NYE resoultions won't work either. So if you do not assign your goal a high priority. well then why even waste your time with it...Dennis
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    Not just emotions/ lack of resolve/ weak willpower/ no determination/ low self-control/ no gas to drive or whatever else you consider deficient

    As the saying goes, you can't out-train a bad diet. Do you have the knowledge to have a good diet? Do you have the time to prepare a good diet? Do you even have stores that sell ingredients for a healthy diet? You work hard all day long, with long commutes coming and going, and you still have to make dinner? You'll probably be too fatigued, and your good diet project will probably fail.

    Then there's biology. We store excess calories as glycogen and fat. Dieting will only deplete the glycogen in your liver, not burn fat. Do people have that knowledge?

    Finally, there's the social factor. Would you be more likely to persevere to meet your goal with positive reinforcement ("Keep up your exercise routine") or negative ones ("You're just a fat slob!")

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    GeoffreyLevens is offline Senior Member
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    I spent quite a few months in deep study of this issue prepping to be a health coach. Fear is only a good motivator short term. Long term it fails completely because people get used to their set fear level and just carry on as before. And will is very strange and slippery beast.

    The truth is, we have Paleolithic nervous systems and metabolisms (built for calorie sparse, nutrient dense, hunger gatherer lives) but we are living in a world of over abundant, easy to acquire, high calorie, low nutrient, neurologically addictive fake food. And of course we now drive cars and sit instead of run and walk.

    Studies have shown that if a medical professional, a doctor, tells someone "If you don't do XXXX you will die" something like 90% or more will NOT do it! They just won't

    It takes a lot to make significant diet changes. There are so many deep emotional connections, subconscious connections. A cardiologist once told me he thought getting people to change diet was harder than getting them to change religion.

    That said, it can be done. I've done it... Two tricks that are key

    1) Long term positive goals that the person comes up with themselves. Things like "be able to dance at my grandchild's wedding" or "still skateboard when I'm 85". Does not matter what it is but it must be deeply resonant and compelling for that person

    2) Purge your environment of all the fake food, processed junk, etc. Make it a project you have to do to eat any. Surround yourself with the good stuff, veg, fruit, raw nuts/seeds, intact whole grains, legumes, grass fed critter....

    Then you just do need to force it for awhile because there will be some cravings and feelings of deprivation. It takes some months for that to die down.

    What helps a huge amount is knowing and using the principles of calorie density, that is calories per pound. A given individual will on average eat same weight of food every day. So eat lower calorie density and you can still eat until satisfied and lose weight or maintain weight or even gain as you adjust the total average calorie density of your diet.

    Here is a list of average calorie densities of various food groups:
    Fresh non-starchy veggies = 100 cal/lb
    Starchy roots & winter squash (except potato, sweet potato, and parsnip) = 150 cal/lb
    Fresh fruits = 250-300 cal/lb
    Potato, sweet potato, parsnip, sweet corn (kernels)= 400-450 cal/lb
    Legumes = 550-600 cal/lb
    Processed grains (i.e flour products)(even if "whole") = 1200-1500 cal/lb
    Nuts/seeds = 2800 cal/lb
    Oils = 4000 cal/lb
    Lean Meat = 800 cal/lb
    Steak, Eggs = 1000 cal/lb
    Refined Grains = 1200 – 1500 cal/lb
    Cheese = 1200 – 1800 cal/lb
    Nuts and Seeds = 2600 – 2800s cal/lb
    Oil = 4000 cal/lb

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    Those are very good points. People are different and different things may/may not move them to action. My own experience was by-pass heart surgery in 2005. A sit down one on one discussion with the doctor convinced me immediately that I need to change. And I did. Junk food no longer is as desired. 90% of what I eat is healthy. But I do eat bread and pasta, and a few beers/whisky on the weekend. Next month I will exceed one year on Intermittent fasting. The doctor only confirmed what I had suspected for many years. That was a call to action. As a 60+ year old man I learned that at my age I can no longer eat like I did in my 20s and 30s. I plan and expect to live into my 80s, barring accidents. I have also calibrated my training to reflect my age. Its more movement based - less emphasis on the 20inch biceps stuff. At my age women no longer find me attractive - so whats the point. However, my abs are starting to show and I am 35lbs lighter. That's motivation!...Dennis

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    Don't forget the bad advice that has been given out for years. People actually follow that advice and wonder why it isn't helping.

    Also, as someone who let himself get frighteningly out of shape at one point, I can tell you that it can be very difficult to exercise. I'm not referring to will power but actually making the attempt and the amount of effort and discomfort invested for seemingly no benefit. And the fear that I might hurt myself or wondering if it's something I'll even be able to do.

    Because of my background I was able to trust in the process and stay with it but it took a very long time to dig myself out of that hole and start seeing any kind of results at all. I've developed a new level of sympathy for people who find themselves in that type of situation.

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