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Thread: Why do you guys think are good "What If?/SHTF" standards?

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    Wolfeye is offline Senior Member
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    Default Why do you guys think are good "What If?/SHTF" standards?

    Hello, everyone. So, I was thinking: there are a lot of fitness standards out there, what do you think is a good all-around situation? I notice a lot of these standards revolve around push-ups, sit-ups, and 1.5 mile runs- not things that give general ability, just that require some general fitness to do.

    At least some of them go for useful things (ex: running 300m in about 50 seconds or bag drags/carries), but it seems there aren't many that get into things that would actually be worked in a lot of situations.

    I have some ideas & have no problem sharing them, but I was looking for some additional inspiration. Not like I don't intend to do it if I think it's a good idea, but it's mainly just a "musing on the subject" kind of thing.

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    I think all those fitness standards that get thrown about are ridiculous. The only fitness standards a person has to have are the ones required by their chosen recreation activities, career, or life style.

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    Standards applied to the "end of the world" situations really don't fit. In such an event, if you are fit you know it. If not - you could have problems. Too many variables and luck plays a huge part. This always makes for a good Netflix viewing. THE WALKING DEAD. Good entertainment. But look back to the 1300s - The Black Plague. Vast regions of Asia, North Africa, and Europe had mass extinctions. From China to Iceland SHTF in a big way. You would have to be healthy and fit for sure. Placing a fitness standard template over all that I don't think works. But you would also have to be SMART. Know a lot of useful things that increase your chances. Alliances with other smart people is the way to make it to the next day...Dennis

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    Things to be capable of would possibly be:
    Sprint 1/4 mile minimum.
    Walk long distances for up to 12 hours non stop.
    Hurdle obstacles at hip height.
    Swim 200 yards.
    Lift and carry a substantial load over distance. Perhaps 1/2 body weight.
    Ability to endure cold and hot weather for extended times.
    Going without food for 3-5 days without issues.
    Ability to eat food that is disgusting and to drink water from the ground. ..
    ...Dennis
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    I think it depends.

    If you're an athlete, developing certain lifts will improve your performance on the field up to a point of diminishing returns so it would make sense to meet those standards.

    For everyone else, I think the standards are a lot more arbitrary. Most people don't actually need high levels of fitness and what's required for health is rather modest.

    For some population groups, movement quality would be a more important measure - do you have a good squat pattern, a good hinge pattern, can you lift your arms overhead? Does it hurt when you do those things?

    For an otherwise healthy adult, if you can't do a few pushups and lunges then you're quite weak. I'd think you should at least be able to walk a brisk pace for an hour, run for a bit, sprint, carry stuff.

    I don't want to put numbers on things. I think a lot of the standards that get presented are overly optimistic and apply to a self-selected population. But I do think you should be able to perform a variety of tasks and basic exercises competently and have the ability to be generally useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ad5ly View Post
    Standards applied to the "end of the world" situations really don't fit. In such an event, if you are fit you know it. If not - you could have problems. Too many variables and luck plays a huge part.
    This. Realistically in todays' world, end of the world stuff most likely super volcano eruption, global nuclear war, or pandemic disease. You can't out run or lift or push or pull any of those. Best to be up to date on your life and all your relationships so you can go out as smoothly as possible; that would be "fit"

    Ooooo, I such a Donnie Downer today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfeye View Post

    I have some ideas & have no problem sharing them, but I was looking for some additional inspiration. Not like I don't intend to do it if I think it's a good idea, but it's mainly just a "musing on the subject" kind of thing.
    Please share your ideas.

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    ad5ly: That's a good list. I was looking into the Wim Hof method recently, have you (or anyone else that's reading this) had any experience with it?

    Chris Hansen:

    For speed, doing 40 yards in 5 seconds or less & 400 meters in 55 seconds or less. I think that would handle speed runs. I'd actually be quicker to say those are more important than the distance stuff, since you can potentially do distance anyway (ex: pacing or pushing yourself), but speed wouldn't necessarily be something you could muster at the moment.

    As for distance, I remember reading something on the Gurkas & it said they tend to do the 1.5 mile run in 8 minutes or less. So that would be one.

    I also remember something about Delta Force doing 40 miles with a 40lbs pack or something like that, but it didn't say the time (I would say being able to do that 30-40 miles on fairly rough terrain would be good- another concern is being able to do something like that the next day).


    Being able to do slow muscle-ups & fast muscle-ups to get over fences. Ideally, being able to side-vault & land from the height of a fence (about 6-foot, although being able to land from double that would be a better idea). Being able to do a lot of these in a row would potentially be very important, but someone might freshen-up pretty well in between vaults while they're running, so doing 20 of them might not be all that difficult.

    For wrestling, being able to do a front/back/side neck plank for a few (3/4/5) minutes & sandbag get-ups at about 200lbs or more. Twist squats & Spiders, maybe with weight, to go along with them (they're in The Forge by Sonny Puzikas).

    For grip, I'd say at least being able to at least do a towel hang with both hands (at least one hand on each half of a towel) & being able to hang from the fingertips of one hand (or, even better, from two fingers on one hand) would be good. Balancing things out with finger extensions against pressure from the other hand (both uncurling & "unflapping" them). If someone could manage a one-arm pull-up, that would combine very helpfully for climbing.

    I saw a bunch of interesting exercises on a youtube video called Native American Scout Training. They seem to be especially suited to hunting & stealthy movement in the woods.

    Bulgarian bag exercises could be useful & similar things can be done with a kettlebell (ex: the youtube video "5 Explosive Rotational Swings for Strength and Power"). I remember a couple of Clint Emerson's that were very interesting, since it incorporated quick runs at useful distances (1/4 mile to 1/2 mile) in between exercises, but I'm not sure how they'd work out biologically- I'd be quicker to stick with anti-glycolytic stuff & have a lot of brawn to go with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfeye View Post
    ad5ly: That's a good list. I was looking into the Wim Hof method recently, have you (or anyone else that's reading this) had any experience with it?
    Cold showers for a couple years. Definitely has increased my cold tolerance. Recovery and all the rest he claims I have not noticed much effect. My straight cold tap/shower water runs about 68 in summer and 58 in winter (farenheit).

    Did the breathing for month or 6 weeks daily but was not noticing much in the way of progress or results. I do think it's good tech though. My lack of "change" from it could be because I've already been meditating and doing breathing stuff for about 50 years

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    I just recently read Wim Hof's book. Did cold showers for 45days+. Did not do the breathing part. Maybe I should try that too. My take away from straight up cold showers at 6am first thing in the morning is that it strengthens your resolve in making somewhat hard/uncomfortable decisions in other areas of your life. Most hard decisions that you cannot commit obviously start in the brain. Conditioning the brain to go the extra mile or even step when things get very hard is such a powerful thing. This is the reason SEALS spent so much time in the cold surf hours before the sun coms up. It conditions the mind to force your body to hang on just a little more without quitting. There is a saying in the SEALS " we are just a little braver for 30 seconds longer". This cold water training might possibly rewire the mind. Don't know if that would be the right way to phrase it. But it could also be a powerful placebo but still works a little magic...Dennis
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