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    Chris Hansen is offline Senior Member
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    Pavel wrote a Best Press article a while ago where he said the dip might have been a winner if more shoulders could take it. He went with bench press because it works a lot of muscles, is a proven strength builder, and can be progressed with relatively low volume.

    From what I've seen, doing pttp with bench press is a popular option.

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    As PTTP says the majority of all possible gains come from the DEADLIFT. Anything else is distant secondary exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Hansen View Post
    Pavel wrote a Best Press article a while ago where he said the dip might have been a winner if more shoulders could take it. He went with bench press because it works a lot of muscles, is a proven strength builder, and can be progressed with relatively low volume.

    From what I've seen, doing pttp with bench press is a popular option.
    Its odd IMO how the lower body joints can withstand 300+lbs but the shoulder joints can't handle high rep bodyweight dips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G29 View Post
    Its odd IMO how the lower body joints can withstand 300+lbs but the shoulder joints can't handle high rep bodyweight dips?
    Look at the relative size of the bones involved. Also the joint structure and force vectors during the lifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffreyLevens View Post
    Look at the relative size of the bones involved. Also the joint structure and force vectors during the lifts.
    That's why quantified my analysis with BODYWEIGHT vs using 300lbs. The lower body joints would be supporting BW + 300lbs whereas the shoulder joint would only be supporting BW.

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    I could be wrong but it looks to me as though in say a squat, the force through the joints would be, nearly all the time, at least partially perpendicular to the joint face. While in the dip, the forces are always parallel to the shoulder joint face i.e. shearing

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    Quote Originally Posted by G29 View Post
    Its odd IMO how the lower body joints can withstand 300+lbs but the shoulder joints can't handle high rep bodyweight dips?
    In this case Pavel was referring to heavy, weighted dips.

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    the hip socket is very different from the shoulder socket. Its stronger and the bones are thicker/stronger. Also the the top of the femur (ball) fits snugly into the hip joint. The shoulder socket there is no firm connection within the socket. Which is why we are told to pack the shoulder when lifting. The hips can absorb much more trama than the shoulders for sure...Dennis
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