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    G29
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    Default Here I go again!

    Hello Dragon Door
    Its been a loooong time since I was here but I'm glad to be back and I've now convinced myself as the superiority of POWER TO THE PEOPLE. Most books have sectons or even whole parts that are at least partially right on the money but PTTP is in my somwhat humble opinion right about every single major point it makes re: gettng larger & stronger. Here's the parts I know are correct:

    1. The deadlift is KING!
    2. You don't need nor should you use belts or straps.
    3. Training pedal to the metal every single w/out is a sure way to burn out if not suffer a lifelong injury.
    4. You do need a extra protein, but not a zero carb diet of solely protein.
    5. There is no need to for any other exercises.
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    I'm 54 and was one of those guys that Pavel described in PTTP as not making any progress since the Eisenhower administration. Over the last three years, every single routine or program that Pavel recommends has worked for me, every one! When I go to other forums and I see his programs get trashed by internet know it alls, I just chuckle and move on.

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    Pttp is one of my favorite programs. Why it works is because if you read and understand the book - and follow the book as it is written it is IDIOT PROOF. Simplicity with no frills. A program that has too many moving parts and is complicated is far more likely to fail. There are those people who believe that complex programs = good program. Pttp is self regulating and does leave you with guesswork. It is not complex. The only decision for you to make is what cycling scheme for you to choose. And even that decision will not be wrong - just pick one and give it a test drive. I will most likely do Pttp again. And it is a very good program...Dennis

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    Same here Dave.

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    Serge Nubret stated he never did a deadlift. Ever. He used approx 60% of his one rep max to do multiple sets of 12. He called it pump training. Pavel was against pump training, asking for 85% of 1 rep max for up to 20 sets of 5 reps on the deadlift.
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    Why is it that this thread is getting so many "likes". There are 65 "likes" attached to this thread, many attributed to me. I mean I suppose it is a good thread - but seriously its not THAT good. I tend to think there is a bit of trolling going on. But then I could be entirely wrong. Pttp is a very good program. But its not a religious cult. The universe of strength training is a lot bigger than just Pttp. Slavish adoration for anything can't be a good thing...Dennis

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    In the universe there are laws and PTTP simply expands on these laws and explains why nothing, repeat NOTHING he's done since or ever will do will come close to PTTP. Once you tell a truth you can't accomplish anything by re-telling it over and over. The deadlift is THE most effective exercise in existence ever invented nor will there there ever be anything to beat it. No other exercise will build as much muscle and strength as the DL. All PTTP did was proliferate the deadlift to a wide audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HBDL View Post
    I was researching one of THE greatest bodybuilders who ever lived, Serge Nubret, and guess what system he used to build his herculean physique? You guessed it moderate intensity high volume. Serge would coincidentally work up to 20 sets with around 1:00 rest between sets. Isn't it interesting how oddly similar (see exactly!) this sounds to PTTP's Commando bodybuilding routine? Hmm.???

    https://www.40andshredded.com/blog/s...chool-training
    Dude, you go from "one of THE greatest bodybuilders who ever lived", to bird legs and a pancake flat ass? You need help. His workouts were nothing like Pavel. Hmm???

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    https://www.castironstrength.com/ser...rkout-routine/

    Its very interesting IMO how someone like Serge Nubret could independently on his own come up w/ basically the same high volume routine as a freakin Russian whose about as far away from bodybuilding as a pro golfer.

    To carry this further IF Serge is telling the truth, and I have no reason to suspect or justify assuming why he wouldn't be, the fact he only uses 100kg in the bench press then its safe to assume he wouldn't use at the absolute most more than 180kg (365lbs) if that in the lift of lifts.....the DEADLIFT.
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    Dude, Serge Nubret was lifting and competing before Pavel was born, in 1969. That he used high volume was not uncommon. In fact, most high level bodybuilders used a high number of sets per bodypart, and worked out twice per day when in contest prep. Unlike Nubret, who NEVER used the deadlift, some did.

    Most who did the deadlift used it with a wide snatch grip to build lat width, something that cannot be done on a hex bar unless you pinch grip the weights like Steve Reeves used to do. Bodybuilders used low sets and reps in the movement because they were not interested in building the entire posterior chain with the movement, just the back width.

    Now, Mike Mentzer, a high level bodybuilder who used the dreaded HIT, did a set or two of deadlifts at the end of his back workout for the spinal erectors, but only six or eight reps and not to failure.

    So, in summary, Serge Nubret, who used, in your quote above, 30,40, or 50 sets per bodypart, 16 sets arms, twice per week, and used 12 reps per set, NEVER DID A DEADLIFT.
    He would do 8 sets of 12 reps of one exercise, with many exercises per bodypart.

    He never did 20 sets of five reps of only one exercise for one bodypart and then move to the next bodypart. To somehow correlate his hard work with PTTP and say this is similar is deception at best and sheer lunacy at worst. It actually makes PTTP pale in comparison to the work necessary to build and maintain a high level phisique.

    Dude, perhaps you should change your name to OCD... Obsessive Compulsive Deadlifter.
    Last edited by MostlyFull; 07-27-2019 at 10:41 PM.
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