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    JackL is offline Member
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    Default ROSS Vs. Systema Vs. Sambo? What's the difference?

    Ross---Systema---Combat Sambo? Are these one and the same? Are they different variations on the same theme? Or are they completely different? I have the good fortune of having one school of each of these systems (three schools in total) within commuting distance.

    Other than showing up at each of their doorsteps and seeing for myself with and untrained eye, what are the differentiating characteristics? Does Pavel endorse one over the others?

    JackL

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    John H. Myers, RKC is offline Senior Member
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    Default Re: Coach Sonnon would be best to answer - let me add

    someone will inavariably point out here that in the web page archives the answer to this exact question awaits you. This time its me!

    ROSS is a renovation of movement method and principle. It applies to hand to hand combat in its native slavic form. ROSS is also a wonderful renovator of Sambo. The two are linked culturally.

    ROSS is about increasing or amplifying how efficient your bio-mechanics are. And when you first tap into it, it's pretty amazing to feel.

    ROSS/RMA has eight directions of application, in basic. Sambo, bayonet, stage combat, executive protection, hand to hand, and the rest escape me at the moment, sorry. But as you can see, it has a lot to offer.

    All I know of Systema is what I have seen on video. It has a similarity to ROSS, but they are two differing approaches (Hard/Soft) and that kind of difference is not uncommon in the martial arts world. All systems and styles have variance that cause offshoots to form. You see this in MA, Lifting, Religion, Law, Politics, Food.

    hope this helps.

    Jack.

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    Coach Sonnon is offline Senior Member
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    Default The difference depends upon the coach's pedagogy...

    Jack,

    For Russian Sambo, read info at rus-sambo.com (Igor Yakimov: Canada), sambo-70.com (David Rudman: Russia), americansambo.com (Brett Jacques: USA).

    For Systema Vasiliev, read info at russianmartialart.com (Vladimir Vasiliev: Canada) and russianmartialart.org (Arthur Sennott: USA).

    For the ROSS Training System, read RMAX.tv/history.html and RMAX.tv/nature.html (5 part installment). These articles provide an excellent RMA overview.

    To answer your question - it's all relative to the coach's background and intent. My background for instance is as USA National Sambo Coach and as such I focus upon athletic performance enhancement for sports and fitness. However, one of my staff, Robert Metz currently works as a homicide detective as well as in military intelligence. Therefore, his emphasis lay with hostile subject control. Another one of my staff, Robert Stein, is a psychologist and behavioral specialist and his focus lay with rehabilitating movement as a means of helping the brain damaged and mentally ill.

    Go check out the links and also the instructor's personally for they may or may not meet YOUR specific goals and needs.

    Coach SonnonAthletic Performance Enhancement Solutions

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    Coach Sonnon is offline Senior Member
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    Default The difference depends upon the coach's pedagogy...

    Jack,

    For Russian Sambo, read info at rus-sambo.com (Igor Yakimov: Canada), sambo-70.com (David Rudman: Russia), americansambo.com (Brett Jacques: USA).

    For Systema Vasiliev, read info at russianmartialart.com (Vladimir Vasiliev: Canada) and russianmartialart.org (Arthur Sennott: USA).

    For the ROSS Training System, read RMAX.tv/history.html and RMAX.tv/nature.html (5 part installment). These articles provide an excellent RMA overview.

    To answer your question - it's all relative to the coach's background and intent. My background for instance is as USA National Sambo Coach and as such I focus upon athletic performance enhancement for sports and fitness. However, one of my staff, Robert Metz currently works as a homicide detective as well as in military intelligence. Therefore, his emphasis lay with hostile subject control. Another one of my staff, Robert Stein, is a psychologist and behavioral specialist and his focus lay with rehabilitating movement as a means of helping the brain damaged and mentally ill. Three coaches - one system - differing intent.

    Go check out the links and also the instructor's personally for they may or may not meet YOUR specific goals and needs.

    Coach SonnonAthletic Performance Enhancement Solutions

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