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    Randy Hauer is offline Banned
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    You are probably doing too much already...on top of the work that you actually name you do "conditioning"...what do you do for conditioning, how much and for how long? From the looks of your program, I have to wonder where you actually fit in the time to practice your profession.

    Without knowing the full requirements of your industry, I would recommend that you cut back on the volume of work you are doing starting with the swimming and the high rep situps. (Most swimmers, even elite swimmers, do not have the look you are seeking and hi rep ab work is a waste of time and energy)Since you are already lean, if you want your musculature to "Pop" and aren't interested in bulking up, you may just need to learn to generate more tension...if you are going to weight train this would involve heavy (for you)weight, low reps, and low volume. I would think the gymnastics (depending on the moves you do) could satisfy this requirement too.

    Check out Pavel's Power to the People and/or Beyond Bodybuilding for a place to start for weight training. Naked Warrior if you are going to focus on bodyweight exercises.

    Randy

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    Thanks for your help, I appreciate it! To answear some of your questions:

    Conditioning is a mix of fundemental gymnastic moves and basic body weight exercises, and it's done at the end of class for about an hour and a half. After pushing myself through class it's a last effort to take my muscles to their extent.

    Most of what I do is actually practicing for my profession. Gymnastics, Fights, and etc. so that works out nicely for double dipping in training and working out.

    I have always thought swimmers contained a certain amount of "Lean" bulk, but I'll have to look into that more closely.

    I have never heard anything about high rep ab work being pointless. Could you elaborate on that?

    The problem I've run into with gymnastics and body weight training is that that only seems to cut me up more, and as I understand it, working with only your body weight will do that and only that.

    I tried the low volume, low rep, heavy weight training. I got good results from it but it would drain me for more than just that day, and I can't afford to miss days of training.

    There is where the problem lies, in an attempt to combine the two in a way that doesn't take away from either..Maybe a pipe dream?

    Thanks again, best of luck with your training.

    Ryan

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    "I have always thought swimmers contained a certain amount of "Lean" bulk, but I'll have to look into that more closely." A certain amount? Of course they do, but genetic predispositions aside...do you want to resemble the Thorpedo (Ian Thorpe)or Maurice Green? After selecting their parents wisely, I'm betting their training has had the most impact on their respective physiques.

    "I have never heard anything about high rep ab work being pointless. Could you elaborate on that?" Sorry I wasn't clear. I should have said high rep situps are pointless (unless you are endurance training for your hip flexors) because they aren't training your abs anyway. Abs are no different than any other muscle group. There are more effective movements for the core than situps...Turkish Get Ups our Get Up situps for example.

    "The problem I've run into with gymnastics and body weight training is that that only seems to cut me up more, and as I understand it, working with only your body weight will do that and only that." Not entirely true, but anyway I thought you weren't interested in adding a lot of mass. Do only what you really need to do, which may be a lot less than you are doing now.

    "I tried the low volume, low rep, heavy weight training. I got good results from it but it would drain me for more than just that day, and I can't afford to miss days of training." Then the reps scheme and total volume weren't low enough. You could conceivably do 2 heavy (for you) sets x 5 reps each of one press and one pull several days a week. Generally speaking, if you are drained and not energized following a workout, you did too much.

    Once again, when looked at from any angle, you are likely over training. Refer to one or all of the books from the previous post. They will answer many of your questions in depth, provide new ideas for your training and are great reference tools. Since you use your body for your work, get quality training information which will help keep you in the game and assist you in achieving the results you are after.

    good luck,
    Randy

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