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    Mike B is offline Senior Member
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    Default misrepresentation of success on forums

    I think you may be partly right. I read somewhere that only between one and two percent of persons beginning martial arts training stay with it long enough to obtain first degree black belt. Only one in one thousand makes second degree. Most people don't like the work involved in training, so they quit. The people who like it stick around and feed off each other's success.

    I don't agee with your statement that the less skilled,"... are simply told to train harder or some such meaningless macho advice." I haven't seen that here. The more skilled members give helpful advice and encourage novices. How many times have we seen the phrase, "A PR is a PR."? But a teacher can only do so much. Just like in martial arts, there is no magic. People who work harder, longer, succeed. The desire to succeed is more important than physical ability. Having the right parents helps, but the "want to" has to come from inside. If one has the desire, and follows good coaching, good results will follow.

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    rock_ten is offline Senior Member
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    Default misrepresentation of success on forums

    I did say "Even when detailed and generous advice is given, the trainee simply does not respond to it."
    I was not saying that only shit advice is given

    Also, sure - the trainee has to have the motivation and desire to do what is neccessary. But all the motivation in the world won't do any good if the physical potential isnt there. I get the feeling that a lot of advice from successful athletes to unsuccessful ones, is a bit like a bird trying to teach a dog to fly.

    Your penultimate sentence can be reversed truthfully: "Having the 'want to' helps, but one has to have the right parents."

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    Pardon me for jumping in here, but I think your conclusion "Having the 'want to' helps, but one has to have the right parents." is true only for those who wish to become truly elite level. Whatever that means for a given sport, World Champion, gold medal, super bowl, world series, etc.

    Anybody else who applies "the good advice" and works hard and sticks with it has the ability to maximize whatever genes they've inherited.

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    T. Phillips RKC is offline Senior Member
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    Default rock - you have been making plenty of progress . . .

    in ways to find excuses to not succeed.

    If you are mentally as weak in the gym as you are on this forum then it is a no brainer why you aren't getting stronger.

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    ZachariahSalazarRKC is offline Senior Member
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    Default Mikeb....

    I totally agree! It took me 5 consistant years to my first black belt after teen years screwing around and now I meet 9 years old black belts and twenty somethings with multiples degress-and maybe they have them! But the world is repleat with record setters and masters...zzzzzz

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    Mike B is offline Senior Member
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    Default As Jack O'Connor used to say...

    "There are a lot more minute of angle typewriters than there are minute of angle rifles."

    One of the worst things about martial arts is the amount of people who claim advanced ranking they didn't earn. Judo has only had seven tenth degree black belts and Professor Kano started the belt ranking system. You can look in the pages of martial arts magazines and find dozens of people claiming to be tenth and even 11th degree. I guess when you "invent" the style you can be whatever you want. Maybe I should be a 12th degree in Mike-jitsu.

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    Josh Hillis is offline Senior Member
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    Default Dude can I be an 11th degree in Mike Jitsu? =) n/m

    Dude can I be an 11th degree in Mike Jitsu? =) n/m

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    FireTitan is offline Senior Member
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    Default Lame excuse

    That's just garbage, what you said about genetics/parents. Ever heard of Mike Mahler? Ever seen what he's done, with no genetic advantages whatsoever, throwing around an 88 pound kettlebell like it's made of styrofoam? Ever heard of Dante (AKA Doggcrapp) who went from a 6'0, 130 pound wimp to a 290 pound bodybuilder who trains professionals?

    Genetics play a small role... work ethic plays a huge role. Take it from a guy with FAT genetics, who lost 80 pounds and is the only one in my family's history to drop clothing sizes since high school (from an XL to an M).

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