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    Default Have you ever gone sugar & fat free?

    I just resently read an article by the title of The Worlds Toughest Diet in Muscle & Fitness magazine.... You pretty much eat NO fat or sugar (including starchy carbs) so that your body burns the stored fat. You are only drinking water and some black coffee (if you need a boost of energy) and eating lean protein along with LOW or NO sugar fruits and veggies! They do admit that this is only to be done for a couple of weeks at a time. But my question is: shouldn't it be fine or even the best diet to do this ALL the time IF you include some good fats like almonds, olives/olive oil....etc...etc...?

    To me (IMO) the best eating plan out there is The Zone because... you are eating the best choices of foods for your carbs, fats and proteins AND in moderate amounts! Which is doing pretty much what is described above. Opinions?

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    this is essentially how I eat, except I eat starchy carbs in my beans and I do not pay attention to the glycemic index of my produce.

    Despite what your article said, I find it extremely easy. I have been eating this way for about two years and the best thing about it is the efficiency and the saving of time. I have all but given up on eating in restaurants because of all the crap they sabotage the food with. That saves money and time. And even at home I tend to prepare the food, dump it on a plate or bowl, eat it right there at the sink, wash the dish. That saves a lot of time. Of course, if you have an empty life, then having more time is rather awkward. But if you have training, hobbies, goals, responsibilities, then it is easy to fill the gap left by the absence of ornate fetishistic food rituals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbpaul View Post
    I just resently read an article by the title of The Worlds Toughest Diet in Muscle & Fitness magazine.... You pretty much eat NO fat or sugar (including starchy carbs) so that your body burns the stored fat. You are only drinking water and some black coffee (if you need a boost of energy) and eating lean protein along with LOW or NO sugar fruits and veggies! They do admit that this is only to be done for a couple of weeks at a time. But my question is: shouldn't it be fine or even the best diet to do this ALL the time IF you include some good fats like almonds, olives/olive oil....etc...etc...?

    To me (IMO) the best eating plan out there is The Zone because... you are eating the best choices of foods for your carbs, fats and proteins AND in moderate amounts! Which is doing pretty much what is described above. Opinions?
    Fat is a core macro nutrient; eliminating it from the diet is not a good idea. If you're dieting, keeping your fat intake up actually helps you shed fat.

    Sugar, as in refined sugar, is a refined food, and so is problematic on all the levels that refined foods are problematic.

    As for just eating almonds and olive oil, you're not getting all the essential fats you need from just these two sources.

    IF you're dieting, you're likely doing it to lose weight. All in all it doesn't matter what you eat; it's the amount. Reduce calories sufficiently and for long enough and you lose weight. Really. I've just been going through i don't know how many studies comparing all these different diets, and they all work; the thing they have in common is calorie reduction.

    What a lot of people are finding is that it's easier in doing caloric reduction to move the starchy carbs out of their main meals because they're so calorically dense. And there they amp up the greens, legumes, lean meets and good fats in their place. get way more on the plate and still less calorically dense than a potato or pasta.

    While fruit is a little higher cal than veggies, it's still miles away from a donut or a couple slices of break

    So portion control: do something as boring as that (you know, is the mean serving no bigger than the palm of your hand; is the fruit serving about the size of a tennis ball, etc) and you'll
    keep your calories lower, and you don't have to feel like you're denying yourself anything.

    Another cheap way to reduce calories? where do americans get 20% of all their daily calories? in the car? 40%? in front of the TV? The majority of the sugar? drinks (pops and juices). Cut out ONE of those, and you've made a big dent in calories.

    caloric reduction - that's all for realistic, healthy eating. it's not very sexy, but it's as basic as swinging a kettlebell, and takes similar discipline and practice.

    As michael pollan wrote in defense of food: Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.

    mc

    ps the body is burning fat all the time. Reduce calories relative to energy requirements and the body burns stored fat. There's no magic in any diet here. Unless there's fewer calories in than what's needed to go out, the body stores the calories it doesn't need at the time. That's it. How healthily that reduction is done is the only question, and what variant works for you within healthful choices the only issue since ya have to stick with it for it to work.
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    Eating fat doesn't cause fat! It's combining it with refined sugars that can get you.

    Your body NEEDS fat.

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    good point about the fats. When kbpaul mentioned going fat-free, I assumed he meant going bad fat-free--i.e., trans-fats, margarine, oils high in omega-6 fatty acids, fat fused to carbs in a Big Mac, etc.

    Accordingly, when I said I eat fat-free that is what I meant. For I do eat every day coconut and olive oil, mixed raw nuts, about 10000 mg of omega-3.

    For example, I just packed my next feeding to take to work. I threw together some black beans, cabbage, and two ounces of mixed nuts all topped with my homemade condiment of squished walnuts and sunflower seeds rubbed into nutritional yeast flakes.

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    I'm not a diet expert, but I guess I know enough about the basics to be out of touch with (and occasionally astonished by) the stupid dietary ideas that proliferate the mainstream. Just this morning at the Chiropractor's I heard another patient talking about how the important thing in a diet is to "avoid fat", and that she tells people "Go ahead and enjoy your carbs!".

    Now she didn't say it explicitly, but I get the feeling she isn't talking about good fats/bad fats, and I'd be willing to bet that the carbs she was talking about weren't coming from fruits and vegetables. It reminds me of my grandparents; people who insist that rice cakes are God's gift to healthy eating and that red meat will kill you because it has "a lot of fat in it". Needless to say, they fit the average American profile: Fat and soft.

    End rant.

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    I think that kind of diet is something that bodybuilders use when they are in their final cutting phases, and they don't stay on it for more than a few weeks. For them, it's basically canned tuna(canned in water, of course) and water.

    Doctors use a similar diet on morbidly obese people to get them healthy enough to survive bariatric surgery and show they will be able to commit to the diet required after the surgery. They call it a protein sparing modified fast (PSMF).

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Rock View Post
    I think that kind of diet is something that bodybuilders use when they are in their final cutting phases, and they don't stay on it for more than a few weeks. For them, it's basically canned tuna(canned in water, of course) and water.

    Doctors use a similar diet on morbidly obese people to get them healthy enough to survive bariatric surgery and show they will be able to commit to the diet required after the surgery. They call it a protein sparing modified fast (PSMF).

    Good call.
    If you really want to learn more about this approach and how to use it, Lyle MacDonald's Ultimate Diet 2.0 lays it out in all its detail -pros/cons/how to do it safely and in what contexts. When it comes to ketogenic diets, Lyle's books rule for solid facts.

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