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    Wild Pegasus is offline Senior Member
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    I didn't see this earlier, but I wanted to point out that traditional folks ate not just the muscle, but the organs as well. Liver, heart, brains, marrow, tongue, kidneys, etc. all have nutrients that muscle meat does not. If you're going carnivore, you're going to have to eat all of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ideal Paradigm View Post
    You did not sound confrontational at all. I wish you the best of luck in your diet and your training. I was simply bringing up points that have been proven in science. Although the efficacy of an all-meat diet has not been tested (so far as I know), so it may very well be a good diet.
    Eskimos eat primarily an all meat diet

    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Pegasus View Post
    I didn't see this earlier, but I wanted to point out that traditional folks ate not just the muscle, but the organs as well. Liver, heart, brains, marrow, tongue, kidneys, etc. all have nutrients that muscle meat does not. If you're going carnivore, you're going to have to eat all of it.
    yup I was gonna add this myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanH View Post
    Ideal,

    When you followed the diet, ask yourself a few things. What was you fat content? Was the meat too lean? Your water intake? Etc? Maybe fiber is what you needed or maybe something else could have fixed the problem. At least you are open minded about the subject. Just food (pun unintentional) for thought.
    My fat content was doing well. I had plenty of unsaturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated. I make sure not to neglect fat. I usually stay away from eating too much saturated, as your body can manufacture saturated from unsaturated. I usually have very light dressings on my salad, and I add nuts to the salad as well. For dinner, I usually use olive oil to cook and so I do end up eating some of that oil. My meats are usually lean, but not extremely lean. For instance, if I were to purchase ground beef, I probably would get 85/15, maybe 90/10, but 90/10 doesn't taste that good. Especially, since my weekly volume is quite high, I can afford to eat more calories without putting on weight.

    Yes, I see what you're saying, nutrition is incredibly complex, and it could very well be that someone just needs more fat or fiber in their diet, and an all meat diet just happens to work for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUNTER1313 View Post
    So how goes the "Meatatarian" diet? I am very interested in your reports. Just a couple questions though. 1. Are you going to consume any fruits and veggies? If so, I imagine you will keep the content pretty low. As I have been thinking about your approach, I was thinking about have a peice of fruit after the meat meal for dessert. And just snacking on a few veggies ie carrots, celery, cauliflour etc. 2. What about dairy? Yogourt and cottage cheese would provide some "gut" health. Also whole milk is yummy. I guess just watch the carb content on those items though. Report back.
    I am not quite 100%. Vegtables, tomatoes and onions, are still there. Vitamin supplements are there (a multivitamin, plus vit C). Fatty meats are being heavily consumed. I prefer them to leaner meats at this point. Some dairy in the form of cheese and sour cream has been consumed away from home.

    I mearsured with some ketostix and initialy, I was quite heavy in ketosis. According to the strips, I still am. but they measure lighter now. This might be to the adjustment of my body to using ketones as fuel.

    Endurance is through the roof right now, strength is ok, but it seems as though length between sets and reps takes longer in heavy lifting, and intense lifting has seen a slight setback. Time will tell if this is just a temporary adjustment.

    My problem at the moment is finding a variety of fatty meats. The grocery stores mainly sell "lean" meats. I do not want to eat bacon all of the time, and even the hamburger is too lean. I may have to start into organ meats (lord help me). Chicken skin and meat fat are craved right now.

    As a plus, I have managed to gain a pound, yet not fat. I am waiting for the big "water loss", but I think it is not a big factor given my general leanings away from grains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinceh4 View Post
    My problem at the moment is finding a variety of fatty meats. The grocery stores mainly sell "lean" meats. I do not want to eat bacon all of the time, and even the hamburger is too lean. I may have to start into organ meats (lord help me). Chicken skin and meat fat are craved right now.
    Beef chuck and pork shoulder are your friends. I can almost always find one or the other on sale for cheap and they are fatty cuts. They are easy to prepare - just slow cook them in stews or braises, and they are delicious.

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    Update:

    A nasty dose of swine flu delyaed my start unfortunately but Im now on track. Been eating lots of Steak Tartare, raw chicken livers, raw goats milk, kefir, steak and LOTS of raw butter. Feeling pretty dprived so far but waiting for that to wear off so the fun can start.

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    I must add that eating raw chicken livers is for real men.

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    why don't you start making your own cottage cheese and whey?It seem like a good idea 4 your experiment-you need about 5l of raw cow milk for 1kg of cottage cheese(I don't know how much whey you'll get,but a lot)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Green UK View Post
    I must add that eating raw chicken livers is for real men.
    Raw!! LoL, Hell yeah!!!! Sorry about your flu, good to hear from you...

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    This experiment is finished. The past two days have seen massive cramping. I had a painful knot in my upper abs from tying my shoe. I did TGUs yesterday and the cramps in my abs were unreal. I had cramping in my legs as well. Have been taking a mineral supplement but to no avail. The major cramping happened after I spent a night pissing out 2lbs of water, even though my thirst was unquenchable. Strength just went to crap also. Here are some of my observations.

    cognitive brain fog was noticeable. Short term memory suffered. Sleep was crappy.

    weight management gained a pound of weight/ lost fat. weight was extremely consistent. did not fluctuate throughout the day, except after the great water loss two nights ago.

    endurance a feeling of lethargy was present but once aerobic or interval trainging began, endurance was through the roof. This was the anthesis of what I was expecting.

    strength grinds and lifting just sucked. no endurance for intense repetitive anearobic efforts. Felt weak in all lifts. This is the number 2 reason I stopped. Did not want to loose the modest gains of the last year. It was unbelieveable.

    general health recovery sucked, ATP cycles "seemed" slow when lifting, and afterwords, there was noticable latic acid build up (this was at poundages and low reps that were handled well before). Severe cramping, I mean really painful sh_t.

    Not conducive for lifting heavy at all. Strength training certainly "set off" a lot of these problems. Maybe they would have appeared later anyway. I do not understand why my enduarnce boosted. I have been on low carb keto type diets before, but never felt anything like this.
    My former efforts avoided grain and high glycemic foods, but always included veggies. As I tapered off the little veggies, strength went to nothing, cramping was unvelievable. I mean really painful, ever have your abs cramp up into a visible knot?

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